The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1740]

As I said, not a cast iron, dead obvious one and it was also a glancing blow and was probably only given as was seen in slow-mo, but a 51% pen.

Maybe slow-mo shouldnt be used for fouls, just for ones to see if a ball was in play, out of play, pen was in the box or outside, but not for the contacts, especially if living up to the "clear and obvious" mantra.

As shown on MOTD, did you think the west ham one on Mo was?

Completely different, Salah was in full control of the ball and Ogbonna made a tackle and never won the ball. That said i don't think it was a pen.

I've said this many times to you, pens are being given now because previously wrong ones have been given so they're now acceptable.

Today's was a 50/50. I think when refs look at the monitor they need to watch the full clip and not just a slow mo of the contact. Just stick it in the bin and improve the standard of refereeing.

 

[Papas1982]

Completely different, Salah was in full control of the ball and Ogbonna made a tackle and never won the ball. That said i don't think it was a pen.

I've said this many times to you, pens are being given now because previously wrong ones have been given so they're now acceptable.

Today's was a 50/50. I think when refs look at the monitor they need to watch the full clip and not just a slow mo of the contact. Just stick it in the bin and improve the standard of refereeing.

I don’t think they should even use slow mo. If we Are still using humans to make the decision then their opinion should be based on what they can actually see.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Completely different, Salah was in full control of the ball and Ogbonna made a tackle and never won the ball. That said i don't think it was a pen.

I've said this many times to you, pens are being given now because previously wrong ones have been given so they're now acceptable.

Today's was a 50/50. I think when refs look at the monitor they need to watch the full clip and not just a slow mo of the contact. Just stick it in the bin and improve the standard of refereeing.

The contact was similar, just other things different.

Ive told you, you live an a refereeing utopia. You may get small gains but not large ones.

At least Ive now got you down to 50%.

 

[sawtooth]

The same fans that celebrate penalties caused by micro touches are now up in arms when a penalty is awarded against them.

What happened to “if the player gets touched he’s entitled to go down” all of a sudden? We heard that every week last year when Mane and Salah went to ground so easily.

And as for offsides , VAR was spot on yesterday but because decisions went against Liverpool they don’t like it all of a sudden, no surprise there.

You couldn’t make this stuff up.??

 

[Tashyboy]

Re Salah and the offside, it was offside by millimetres, VAR was correct it’s the offside ruling that’s wrong. When a goal is scored, a corner, goal kick, throw in. The whole of the ball has to be over the line. Yet for off side, a few millimetres off side and your offside, even with a part of the body you cannot score with. For me there should be clear daylight between the attacker and defender for it to be offside.

 

[Orikoru]

Re Salah and the offside, it was offside by millimetres, VAR was correct it’s the offside ruling that’s wrong. When a goal is scored, a corner, goal kick, throw in. The whole of the ball has to be over the line. Yet for off side, a few millimetres off side and your offside, even with a part of the body you cannot score with. For me there should be clear daylight between the attacker and defender for it to be offside.

You'll never get any offsides then, it will just be a backwards version of what we have now - i.e. VAR showing that the striker's big toe was just far enough back to be in line with the defender's knee. So a guy that looks a yard off will be onside then. I don't think that's any better!

Really it's quite simple, just go back to what the rule was before. Let the ref watch it on replay if he wants to, but don't draw any stupid lines on it, just let him watch the replay and decide if it looks offside or whether he was level/onside when it was played. It really could be that simple but they don't want it to be, for some reason.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You'll never get any offsides then, it will just be a backwards version of what we have now - i.e. VAR showing that the striker's big toe was just far enough back to be in line with the defender's knee. So a guy that looks a yard off will be onside then. I don't think that's any better!

Really it's quite simple, just go back to what the rule was before. Let the ref watch it on replay if he wants to, but don't draw any stupid lines on it, just let him watch the replay and decide if it looks offside or whether he was level/onside when it was played. It really could be that simple but they don't want it to be, for some reason.

It can never be that simple though, as another human being has to pause the picture for the Ref to decide, a fraction of the pause button could influence the wrong decision being made and it’s still trial by TV.

Totally agree there is no ideal solution, but personally I’d rather accept the human error of the Linesman, I genuinely don’t believe a linesman makes a mistake on purpose, but it’s his job/role to make those decisions and I don’t believe we had anywhere near this much controversey when it was on them.

 

[clubchamp98]

You'll never get any offsides then, it will just be a backwards version of what we have now - i.e. VAR showing that the striker's big toe was just far enough back to be in line with the defender's knee. So a guy that looks a yard off will be onside then. I don't think that's any better!

Really it's quite simple, just go back to what the rule was before. Let the ref watch it on replay if he wants to, but don't draw any stupid lines on it, just let him watch the replay and decide if it looks offside or whether he was level/onside when it was played. It really could be that simple but they don't want it to be, for some reason.

It comes down to camera angles then if ref is watching it on monitor.
But lines on the pitch made by the mowers is the only reference.
The Lino is best placed for this ,it’s what he’s there for imo.
So between them they should be able to sort it out.

 

[USER1999]

It can never be that simple though, as another human being has to pause the picture for the Ref to decide, a fraction of the pause button could influence the wrong decision being made and it’s still trial by TV.

Totally agree there is no ideal solution, but personally I’d rather accept the human error of the Linesman, I genuinely don’t believe a linesman makes a mistake on purpose, but it’s his job/role to make those decisions and I don’t believe we had anywhere near this much controversey when it was on them.

Why pause it? Show it in real time, no lines drawn.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Why pause it? Show it in real time, no lines drawn.

30 second rule

If you can't decide in 30 seconds if it's offside the goal stands

(Advantage to the attacker)

 

[Tashyboy]

You'll never get any offsides then, it will just be a backwards version of what we have now - i.e. VAR showing that the striker's big toe was just far enough back to be in line with the defender's knee. So a guy that looks a yard off will be onside then. I don't think that's any better!

Really it's quite simple, just go back to what the rule was before. Let the ref watch it on replay if he wants to, but don't draw any stupid lines on it, just let him watch the replay and decide if it looks offside or whether he was level/onside when it was played. It really could be that simple but they don't want it to be, for some reason.

What it will do is change the dynamics of the game. At the moment a defender knows that if a an attacker is level there’s a good chance he is offside. Change the ruling and he will know there’s a good chance he is onside. We want to see goals not argue that Salah is a toenail offside.

 

[Orikoru]

It can never be that simple though, as another human being has to pause the picture for the Ref to decide, a fraction of the pause button could influence the wrong decision being made and it’s still trial by TV.

Totally agree there is no ideal solution, but personally I’d rather accept the human error of the Linesman, I genuinely don’t believe a linesman makes a mistake on purpose, but it’s his job/role to make those decisions and I don’t believe we had anywhere near this much controversey when it was on them.

Ok but that's how it is now anyway and people are being given offside by a mm, that's part of the problem. If it's that borderline that they're not sure, then he is level and onside. That's how it always used to be, as pauljames said, benefit of the doubt was meant to go with the attacking team. This is something that's been completely lost since they can't be level anymore, the advantage is with the defenders.

 

[Orikoru]

What it will do is change the dynamics of the game. At the moment a defender knows that if a an attacker is level there’s a good chance he is offside. Change the ruling and he will know there’s a good chance he is onside. We want to see goals not argue that Salah is a toenail offside.

I agree with your sentiment, I just thought your proposal was too far the opposite direction. What it would result in is defenders going deeper and deeper because they can't allow the attacker to be a foot nearer the goal than them but potentially be onside. We just need to get back to the idea that you can be level with the defenders and onside, rather than level being offside by a toe or a hair.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why pause it? Show it in real time, no lines drawn.

Then you have to go back as to why the Ref is reviewing the decision, ie, Linesman in the wrong? VAR Official disagrees? Ref himself disagrees?

Then the next question for me would be, how many replays in real time and how many angles are you showing him.

I don’t see how this makes it any easier or clearer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok but that's how it is now anyway and people are being given offside by a mm, that's part of the problem. If it's that borderline that they're not sure, then he is level and onside. That's how it always used to be, as pauljames said, benefit of the doubt was meant to go with the attacking team. This is something that's been completely lost since they can't be level anymore, the advantage is with the defenders.

I believe, we actually agree it’s a joke, it’s just how we sort it out is the issue.
Whatever method is used, someone (probably Sky) will sit there ready to prove it’s no better than what we had/have and cause controversey.

 

[Orikoru]

I believe, we actually agree it’s a joke, it’s just how we sort it out is the issue.
Whatever method is used, someone (probably Sky) will sit there ready to prove it’s no better than what we had/have and cause controversey.

It's funny that you mention Sky, because the way they used to review the decisions in the pre-VAR times was kind of how I imagined VAR would be, and it would have been fine I think. They would replay the incident, slow it down and pause it when the ball was played, and then they'd either say "he's clearly offside, the lino/ref has made a mistake" or they'd say "it's borderline, so we'll give him benefit of the doubt and say he's about level". That to me would be a perfectly acceptable way to run VAR for offsides - just that the ref obviously is the one viewing the footage and making that decision rather than Jamie Redknapp. But they overcomplicated it massively.

Whatever the answer is, 99% of fans would agree they'd got it totally wrong at the moment.

 

[Pin-seeker]

The same fans that celebrate penalties caused by micro touches are now up in arms when a penalty is awarded against them.

What happened to “if the player gets touched he’s entitled to go down” all of a sudden? We heard that every week last year when Mane and Salah went to ground so easily.

And as for offsides , VAR was spot on yesterday but because decisions went against Liverpool they don’t like it all of a sudden, no surprise there.

You couldn’t make this stuff up.??

Most hard done by club in history?‍

 

[Kellfire]

VAR denying United a clear penalty. It’s a conspiracy! I blame Bill Gates.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Watching the game without the fake noise and it’s quite funny hearing the loud screams off anguish from the players as if they have had a leg blown off ?

 

[Junior]

Urrgghh, best we've started a game for a while too