Lucifer MorningStar
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So not a new phenomenon then or even Arsenal being the worst team for it yet the most moaned about team for it. Wonder why that is !!
HampshireHog
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It’s all nonsense and noise the fact is Arsenal had zero bookings for time wasting so clearly not that bad.
If they averaged 30 seconds last nights that would be in line with their season average, according to the chart PaulMdj posted.
For them to have taken 30 minutes out of the game there must have been 60 restarts.
If they took 26 seconds the fastest avg time according to the chart. They still take 26 minutes out of the game, so at best you can argue they wasted 4 minutes.
If you took the mid point of the teams it’s certainly nearer to 30 seconds than 29, so they maybe waste less than a minute more than average. So maybe the question is why are are they having to restart the game so much more than Brighton who if the averages held true must have had around 25 restarts
In years gone by it taking your time would be “canny” or good “game management”.
If they averaged 30 seconds last nights that would be in line with their season average, according to the chart PaulMdj posted.
For them to have taken 30 minutes out of the game there must have been 60 restarts.
If they took 26 seconds the fastest avg time according to the chart. They still take 26 minutes out of the game, so at best you can argue they wasted 4 minutes.
If you took the mid point of the teams it’s certainly nearer to 30 seconds than 29, so they maybe waste less than a minute more than average. So maybe the question is why are are they having to restart the game so much more than Brighton who if the averages held true must have had around 25 restarts
In years gone by it taking your time would be “canny” or good “game management”.
Basketball has, or had, a rule that you had to cross the halfway line within a certain time, and couldn’t go back over the halfway line. Not sure if there’s a rule about shooting within a certain time.
To be honest, I don’t have a problem with a team using up time with the ball in play. It’s a skill hanging onto the ball, playing it around. It’s up to the team without the ball to get it off them. However, time wasting when the ball is out of play… my solution is a yellow card and double the time wasted to be added on.
irip
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PaulMdj
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Again Bri, no issue with what you’ve put, I just remember all the whining about City a few seasons back and their possession football.
Back to last night, Brighton had more possession and more chances, so regadless if the ball had been in play another 5 minutes or another hour, who’s to say they would if scored? Just as much chance of rhem conceding another.
Slime
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If Talk Sport is rubbish, why do you listen to it?
anotherdouble
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I don’t as it’s rubbish the vast majority of the time in my opinion of course. Jim white segment with Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy from their show came up on my you tube page today talking about igor going and so I watched it
D-S
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If the Rugby Union, Basketball, Ice Hockey, Rugby League, American Football, Netball, Handball, Field Hockey etc. method of time keeping is so poor, you have to wonder why they have adopted it versus the old (current football) way.
I would like to hear of any benefits for why football should remain rooted in the past and not adopt what every other field team sport as done. What are the great advantages of the current system vs. the accepted norm in other sports?
As for it not stopping delaying tactics with the ball in play, what about all the delaying tactics when the ball isn’t in play which is an increasingly significant proportion of the game?
PaulMdj
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Why is football suddenly stuck in the past because they don’t have a big Clock? And why is time keeping suddenly an issue?
There are far bigger problems in the game that need looking.
As shown by the 3 charts I posted that show this season the ball has been in play more than some recent seasons.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
The issue with teams ‘time wasting’ with the ball can be addressed by the opposition, wasting time on set pieces cannot.
Swango1980
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Apparently football is a different sport, so can't possibly learn anything whatsoever about what seems to work well in other sports.
Even though the concept of timekeeping is essentially the same across many different sports
Again Bri, no issue with what you’ve put, I just remember all the whining about City a few seasons back and their possession football.
Back to last night, Brighton had more possession and more chances, so regadless if the ball had been in play another 5 minutes or another hour, who’s to say they would if scored? Just as much chance of rhem conceding another.
I remember Tony Pulis’ Boro days, just missing out on the play-offs. Mind numbingly boring, possession based football. It got him the sack. As @Billysboots has said, whatever version on display it has to be entertaining. Taking 3 weeks to take a throw-in or a goal kick isn’t entertaining.
Until a ‘punishment’ actually hurts, teams won’t change. Double the wasted time would hurt. But it will need a timekeeper, the 4th official(?) to manage it.
PaulMdj
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Both are just as boring.
PaulMdj
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I was quite clearly told on here Alladyce had done a good job at Everton despite the worst football we’d seen for years so I’m not against entertaining football, I just believe the attitude of players, managers, Teams and owners has changed.
And you know feelings on punishment, take points of teams, that’s the only thing they’d react to.
anotherdouble
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Some good suggestions on what needs to change but in order for anything to happen the officials need to grow some cojones and to stop doing nothing in fear of upsetting the applecart
PaulMdj
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I agree, but I think that it’s the match officials boss’s that are the ones needed to step up.
Swinglowandslow
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You do know how RL timekeeping works , do you? The ref has the clock stopped every time he sees a reason to, by signalling to the timekeeper. The spectators see that and pretty well know why.
And then he has the clock resume when the cause for stoppage has ceased.
That could happen in soccer , for Any reason, substituting, injury, time wasting etc..
Quite straightforward.
So there is no extra time…Everyone would see the clock moving to 90minutes. And at 90 minutes the game ends.
I know teams cheat, that why I now cannot watch soccer ( well premier league) in real time. I find it disgusting. I remember when , though there were fouls of course, the present day cynicism and feigning injury, being fouled etc was hardly seen.
My alluding to possible refs integrity in timekeeping was to the effect that the present system allows it to be possible, whereas in the system I’m supporting, the possibility is eliminated .
Swango1980
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I remember a time a player would do absolutely anything to ensure they didnt look like they were hurt, even though they may have been in agony. Good times.
Regarding a Visible Time Clock, if PL announced that it would be introduced next season, would anyone genuinely be against it? Wouldn't have thought any fans would hate it. And I'd imagine referees would like it, as they no longer have to subjectively end the game once they think an attack is over.
Regarding a Visible Time Clock, if PL announced that it would be introduced next season, would anyone genuinely be against it? Wouldn't have thought any fans would hate it. And I'd imagine referees would like it, as they no longer have to subjectively end the game once they think an attack is over.
4LEX
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Exactly this. Each ref can punish time wasting and add time on accordingly. The fact is they're all useless and don't bother to enforce the laws of the game incase the inept clown Howard Webb tells them off.
For the record, Darren England must be the worst ref I've ever seen. We've had some crap over the years but this guy takes the biscuit.
Swango1980
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