The Footie Thread

[Neilds]

Goals are coming from other areas as well now

Most of Liverpools goals over the last 8/9 years have come from wide forwards - Salah , Mo , Mane , Diaz , but now we are looking for more from a central striker

City are heavily dependent on Haaland

Arsenal have struggled to find a consistent goal scorers over the years

Of course goals are coming from other areas - no one has the goal poacher anymore.

 

[Beezerk]

Knew where the net was though

Yeah but he missed that header vs Argentina in 86

 

[Swango1980]

And here in lies the problem, If I watch MOTD, I reckon there are 6 to 10 instances in the show where a player goes down like there isn't a bone in their body not broken, and if by magic almost without exception everyone of them are running around unscathed once the play gets restarted. And these are just the ones shown in the hour of highlights.

Which is why the authorities force them to stay off the pitch for a period of time after getting treatment. That is a good idea, and I honestly think they should sometimes be kept off for longer. But the problem occurs when players actually get injured, and co-commentators like Niville and Carragher scream how unfair it is that they have to stay off the pitch.

Yes, it is unfair. But it is because of the general cheating of footballers that this happens. And it is not fair to expect the referee to make a judgement in whether a player is faking it or not, because they will get crucified the moment their assumption is wrong.

 

[Hobbit]

Michael Keane’s red card upheld.

Where is common sense? I’ve watched it, and watched it, and watched it. There is a tug on the hair but it’s not violent. I understand why it’s gone into the law book the way it has, i.e. a good pull as someone goes past could do very serious harm to the neck, but what we saw wasn’t violent conduct.

The tribunal got the chance to review it every which way. Common sense could have been applied instead of saying the computer says no.

“Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the application of fools.” The fools rule the asylum.

 

[SteveJay]

Michael Keane’s red card upheld.

Where is common sense? I’ve watched it, and watched it, and watched it. There is a tug on the hair but it’s not violent. I understand why it’s gone into the law book the way it has, i.e. a good pull as someone goes past could do very serious harm to the neck, but what we saw wasn’t violent conduct.

The tribunal got the chance to review it every which way. Common sense could have been applied instead of saying the computer says no.

“Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the application of fools.” The fools rule the asylum.

Absolutely the correct decision - pulling an opponent's hair, not matter how violent, should be a sending off offence.

 

[Neilds]

Which is why the authorities force them to stay off the pitch for a period of time after getting treatment. That is a good idea, and I honestly think they should sometimes be kept off for longer. But the problem occurs when players actually get injured, and co-commentators like Niville and Carragher scream how unfair it is that they have to stay off the pitch.

Yes, it is unfair. But it is because of the general cheating of footballers that this happens. And it is not fair to expect the referee to make a judgement in whether a player is faking it or not, because they will get crucified the moment their assumption is wrong.

Most of the time nowadays the 'physio' doesn't even come on, the player stays down for a while, the ref stops play, the manager gets a chance to gather the rest and pass on instructions and then a couple of minutes later the injury heals itself and the player is running around with no ill effects.

 

[Hobbit]

Absolutely the correct decision - pulling an opponent's hair, not matter how violent, should be a sending off offence.

But that then brings into question any number of ‘taking one for the team,’ professional fouls. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’m not saying you’re right either. And I understand that it may cross the line into ‘red’ territory, but a 3 match ban for what was almost a gentle tug… does that then lend itself to saying 5 match ban for a ‘violent’ tug?

I don’t think I disagree with it being a sending off offence, in fact it should be a sending off offence, but I don’t agree with the 3 match ban.

 

[Pin-seeker]

But that then brings into question any number of ‘taking one for the team,’ professional fouls. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’m not saying you’re right either. And I understand that it may cross the line into ‘red’ territory, but a 3 match ban for what was almost a gentle tug… does that then lend itself to saying 5 match ban for a ‘violent’ tug?

I don’t think I disagree with it being a sending off offence, in fact it should be a sending off offence, but I don’t agree with the 3 match ban.

Deserves a 3 match ban for stupidity imo.

 

[Orikoru]

Absolutely the correct decision - pulling an opponent's hair, not matter how violent, should be a sending off offence.

Maybe they should make it an offence to not have a short back and sides instead, that would save this problem from ever happening again.

 

[Swango1980]

Most of the time nowadays the 'physio' doesn't even come on, the player stays down for a while, the ref stops play, the manager gets a chance to gather the rest and pass on instructions and then a couple of minutes later the injury heals itself and the player is running around with no ill effects.

I think the referee insists on the physio coming in if the player looks like they are not going to get up in the next short while (say 20-30 secs). A short enough window where the entire team cannot gather around the bench and have a timeout.

But, whatever rule is in place, you can bet teams and players will look for a loophole. If they are simply wasting a bit of time, they'll see how long they can stay down for whilst telling the ref not to bring the physio on, suggesting they are just temporarily winded or stunned. Or the goalkeeper will go down if the coach wants a lot of time to have a team talk.

No doubt the rules will change again. Such as players not allowed to gather around the bench area during stoppages. And finally bringing in a clock that stops when the ball is out of play, or at least stops during any "injury" break in play. In fact, I would like the clock to stop during any injury PLUS 30 seconds. You can call that extra 30 seconds time to allow players to find momentum in the game again. I wonder how many players would go down injured then?

 

[PaulMdj]

I would respectfully disagree, a couple of occasions balls were whipped across the front of the goal 6 yards out with nobody attacking it, a real poacher would have been there to tap it in.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing necessarily but it’s something I have noticed that a lot of teams are looking for different attributes from a forward

But as you say, on a couple of occassions in 45 minutes, one of those was when Frimpong went down the right, beat the defender and got the cross in, no Lpool player was anywhere near it.

If any team had a goal poacher, I don’t believe they’d set up to just play to his strengths, as others have said that sort of player has disappeared from the game.

The best forwards, tend to score goals from anywhere and everywhere and last night chances for any forward were few and far between, I think it was the last 5-10 minutes when we had a couple of goal mouth incidents.

 

[PaulMdj]

Michael Keane’s red card upheld.

Where is common sense? I’ve watched it, and watched it, and watched it. There is a tug on the hair but it’s not violent. I understand why it’s gone into the law book the way it has, i.e. a good pull as someone goes past could do very serious harm to the neck, but what we saw wasn’t violent conduct.

The tribunal got the chance to review it every which way. Common sense could have been applied instead of saying the computer says no.

“Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the application of fools.” The fools rule the asylum.

I agree it wasn’t violent, but it was enough to pull his head backwards.

Stupid appeal imo, but certainly far less violent than some of the Yellow cards we see given out.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I would respectfully disagree, a couple of occasions balls were whipped across the front of the goal 6 yards out with nobody attacking it, a real poacher would have been there to tap it in.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing necessarily but it’s something I have noticed that a lot of teams are looking for different attributes from a forward

There were balls played in but it didn’t need a poacher to be there - we needs the opposite aide wide player in there , and going forward the likes of Isak or Hugo and Wirtz in there

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Michael Keane’s red card upheld.

Where is common sense? I’ve watched it, and watched it, and watched it. There is a tug on the hair but it’s not violent. I understand why it’s gone into the law book the way it has, i.e. a good pull as someone goes past could do very serious harm to the neck, but what we saw wasn’t violent conduct.

The tribunal got the chance to review it every which way. Common sense could have been applied instead of saying the computer says no.

“Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the application of fools.” The fools rule the asylum.

I don’t think they can overrule that tbh

He has grabbed his hair whilst not violent it’s clear in the rules

 

[clubchamp98]

Not often losing a right back is a big loss

Losing TAA was a big loss imo.
Now we have Konate on the ball mostly.

 

[nickjdavis]

I think the referee insists on the physio coming in if the player looks like they are not going to get up in the next short while (say 20-30 secs). A short enough window where the entire team cannot gather around the bench and have a timeout.

But, whatever rule is in place, you can bet teams and players will look for a loophole. If they are simply wasting a bit of time, they'll see how long they can stay down for whilst telling the ref not to bring the physio on, suggesting they are just temporarily winded or stunned. Or the goalkeeper will go down if the coach wants a lot of time to have a team talk.

No doubt the rules will change again. Such as players not allowed to gather around the bench area during stoppages. And finally bringing in a clock that stops when the ball is out of play, or at least stops during any "injury" break in play. In fact, I would like the clock to stop during any injury PLUS 30 seconds. You can call that extra 30 seconds time to allow players to find momentum in the game again. I wonder how many players would go down injured then?

I like the "injury +30 suggestion.

I'd also like to see the clock hard stopped whenever a substitution is made...so no matter how slowly a player takes to exit the pitch it has no effect, clock doesn't physically start again until play restarts and there is no subjectivity as to how much to add on....especially for substitutions made after the 90 minute mark.

Also I'd like to see any team who concede a goal being allowed to restart the game 30 seconds after the ball crosses the line....irrespective of whether the opponents players are all back in their own half and ready...would cut out a lot of the excessive celebrations with players almost diving into the crowd at the wrong end of the pitch.

With the resurgence of the long throw in as a tactic, we also need to see more discipline from the officials in getting players to take the throw from where the ball went out....not just starting their run-up from where the ball went out.

 

[Swango1980]

I like the "injury +30 suggestion.

I'd also like to see the clock hard stopped whenever a substitution is made...so no matter how slowly a player takes to exit the pitch it has no effect, clock doesn't physically start again until play restarts and there is no subjectivity as to how much to add on....especially for substitutions made after the 90 minute mark.

Also I'd like to see any team who concede a goal being allowed to restart the game 30 seconds after the ball crosses the line....irrespective of whether the opponents players are all back in their own half and ready...would cut out a lot of the excessive celebrations with players almost diving into the crowd at the wrong end of the pitch.

With the resurgence of the long throw in as a tactic, we also need to see more discipline from the officials in getting players to take the throw from where the ball went out....not just starting their run-up from where the ball went out.

I'd probably add to my +30 secs suggestion, would only work it it only happened when an injured player's team was winning. Otherwise if they were losing, players could go down multiple times to get lots of +30" on to the time . Games that are currently tied might be a bit mirkier, because some teams are desperate to win, others aredesperate not to lose.

The only thing with goal celebration is that I never really think they take up too much time. I don't actually remember one time at all where there has been controversy about getting play restarted because players were doing some sort of tango on the touchline. And for fans who support the team that scored, or even neutrals, that period after the goal is often a fun time. And it gives commentators a chance to discuss the goal, its impact and show different replays of the goal. So, I think it would actually be detrimental if there was a very short window before play had to restart. The biggest issue is VAR allowing play to restart. Even for many obvious goals, you will often find VAR needs 1 or 2 minutes to clarify it is a goal (their check will start once the goal is scored, we only become aware of the length of time if they are still checking a long time after, once the celebrations have died down).

But going to your first point, a visible clock that simply stops when a goal is scored makes sure time is not lost in any celebrations of VAR check.

 

[Swango1980]

Romero given an extra one game ban and fined £50,000 for his behaviour after getting sent off against Liverpool (being aggressive to referee and failing to leave the field of play promptly).

I guess we can expect to see Grealish have his automatic ban extended, and given a sizeable fine?

 

[JonnyGutteridge]

I like the "injury +30 suggestion.

I'd also like to see the clock hard stopped whenever a substitution is made...so no matter how slowly a player takes to exit the pitch it has no effect, clock doesn't physically start again until play restarts and there is no subjectivity as to how much to add on....especially for substitutions made after the 90 minute mark.

Also I'd like to see any team who concede a goal being allowed to restart the game 30 seconds after the ball crosses the line....irrespective of whether the opponents players are all back in their own half and ready...would cut out a lot of the excessive celebrations with players almost diving into the crowd at the wrong end of the pitch.

With the resurgence of the long throw in as a tactic, we also need to see more discipline from the officials in getting players to take the throw from where the ball went out....not just starting their run-up from where the ball went out.

I personally wouldn’t allow any subs beyond 90 minutes

 

[clubchamp98]

My take on last nights game was do teams need to go back to the old fashioned goal poacher?
Do they even exist anymore.
Give either team Ian Rush or Ian Wright and they win the game.
Have teams gone for players now who get more involved in the build up than getting tap ins?
I accept Haaland might be classed as one but in general most teams don’t seem to have one.
Or do the likes of Gary Lineker not exist anymore?

The Martinelli incident was something of nothing in my opinion, we often see players go down off the pitch and roll back on and that’s what happened last night, I thought a booking was fair enough.
Feel sorry for Bradley and hope it’s nothing too bad

Our strikers were injured!

Bradley was still on the pitch ( half on half off ) after his injury.