The Footie Thread

[AmandaJR]

I like Semenyo's confidence and ambition. Does he think he's going to be warming the bench? Not a chance. He feels he's good enough to hold down a first team spot. I hope he is.

 

[PaulMdj]

Their disallowed goal, for sure by the letter of the law, but I'd argue that our penalty shout was one of those that might be given or might not be depending on the referee and the teams playing.

VAR isn't 100% incorrect, but there are more errors than there should be, given the technology they have at their disposal.

I don’t think for one minute VAR is perfect, it needs improving, but that is the human error side.

The principal of it and how it should be used imo is correct.

Stats have proved since its introduction that the error rate is coming down, no system with human interaction will ever be 100% just like it isn’t in any sport.

 

[Tashyboy]

I like Semenyo's confidence and ambition. Does he think he's going to be warming the bench? Not a chance. He feels he's good enough to hold down a first team spot. I hope he is.

I love the Bench warming comments. And not just semenyo. But any. Surely players are brought in to set a standard. To push others as well as themselves. If Savinho had a final ball I don’t think we go for Semenyo. Semenyo coming in should hopefully get Savinho working on that aspect of his game as well as his finishing.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Respectfully disagree with this. if there weren't issues 99% of the time, there wouldn't be weekly apologies and statements from PGMOL due to incorrect decisions.

Rugby has similar "human interaction" and has VAR - there are very little issue with it. It's used consistently and correctly.

As has been noted there is VAR controversy EVERY.SINGLE.WEEK. in football, because our referees and their assistants are mostly incompetent.

The technology is fine - but it's implemented wrong...and until this changes, we're just going to get bad decisions and multiple apologies on a weekly basis.

Rugby is a vastly different sport with not as much subjectivity when it comes to issues

It’s always worth remembering that just because a club moans about a decision doesn’t mean it’s the wrong one

There were countless more wrong decisions before VaR

 

[Golfmmad]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7591873904956738818

Don’t generally do these platforms but my son showed me this, and it hits the nail squarely on the head.

I thought it was you Billy, then i realised, he's young
But he makes a lot of sense.

 

[Orikoru]

I love the Bench warming comments. And not just semenyo. But any. Surely players are brought in to set a standard. To push others as well as themselves. If Savinho had a final ball I don’t think we go for Semenyo. Semenyo coming in should hopefully get Savinho working on that aspect of his game as well as his finishing.

Surely Savinho will be leaving, he hardly plays as it is.

 

[Red devil]

I like Semenyo's confidence and ambition. Does he think he's going to be warming the bench? Not a chance. He feels he's good enough to hold down a first team spot. I hope he is.

Grealish, Kalvin Phillips (remember him), Savinho, Marmoush and Cherki all thought that as well. Time will tell

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Grealish, Kalvin Phillips (remember him), Savinho, Marmoush and Cherki all thought that as well. Time will tell

To be fair, Grealish was a regular, until he wasn't. Cherki has played a good chunk of this season.

You could repeat the above with any big club, who have a big squad. Simple enough to do it with your club for example as well. If you have that ambition, you take the gamble. If you want guaranteed football, you stay where you are

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Would be more than happy if we could grab Marmoush from City - he is better than the rest of the wide players they imo

 

[clubchamp98]

I like Semenyo's confidence and ambition. Does he think he's going to be warming the bench? Not a chance. He feels he's good enough to hold down a first team spot. I hope he is.

So did Grealish.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So did Grealish.

So did Chiesa (as I said above, we could play this game with most big squads )

 

[clubchamp98]

So did Chiesa (as I said above, we could play this game with most big squads )

Slot dosnt rate him imo.

Grealish is a quality footballer who should not be warming any bench.

Having two or three players for one position makes sense given the games City play.
But still think as a young man Semenyo should be playing most weeks.

 

[Junior]

I agree there's a lack of proven managers out there at the moment. LVG was way past his best when you got him though.

I personally don't rate Glasner that highly. He's done well at Palace but plays a back 3 and hasn't done it at a big club, which is a whole different level.

I would honestly give it to Ole for the rest of the season as he's proven he can be a good short term manager, get the positive feelings back and plays a very solid 4231 which suits most of the team. I would then get Poch in because he's someone that has experience in England and did well at Spurs and at Chelsea given the circumstances. He's also had the pressure of managing a top team in PSG and won things. He's made some poor career moves but he ticks all the boxes for a long term Utd manager in my eyes.

I like Poch. The news here is that it’ll be a Fletcher/Carrick combo or OGS till the end of the season then go in for Tuchel.

I’m not sure how Wilcox will manage him as Wilcox’s record is not great with hot head managers. I actually think it’s that board level of the club (on the football) that’s problem.

 

[AmandaJR]

Echo in here.

You're good enough you get pitch time, if not you don't. If no-one sat on the bench we'd only need a small squad. By we I mean EVERY other team that has a squad of regulars, 1st team cover, almost 1st team cover, only use when desperate. You lose form you warm the bench. Let's not pretend City do anything different to any other club - across all divisions. If you sit still you fail. Every team looks to strengthen when the opportunity arises.

 

[Swango1980]

I like Poch. The news here is that it’ll be a Fletcher/Carrick combo or OGS till the end of the season then go in for Tuchel.

I’m not sure how Wilcox will manage him as Wilcox’s record is not great with hot head managers. I actually think it’s that board level of the club (on the football) that’s problem.

Am I missing something with Wilcox? I think before he came into Man Utd, some held him in pretty high regard. Which may well be true.

However, he was only in an Executive role at Southampton for 15 months before joing Utd. Presumably it was his role with the Youth Academy at Man City before Southampton that enhanced his reputation the most?

The Amorim appointment has turned out to be a huge failure, for the reasons people said from near the beginning. His system, and reluctance to be flexible. In fairness to Amorim, he has never tried to be anything different to what he was before. I'm just wondering if Wilcox is better suited to be a coach of Youth Academies, or is he genuinely a quality Technical Director?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So did Grealish.

Grealish played over 150 games for City in 4 seasons

Played 55 games in the year they won the treble

 

[Orikoru]

I like Poch. The news here is that it’ll be a Fletcher/Carrick combo or OGS till the end of the season then go in for Tuchel.

I’m not sure how Wilcox will manage him as Wilcox’s record is not great with hot head managers. I actually think it’s that board level of the club (on the football) that’s problem.

Eh? Why are you expecting him to leave England that quickly?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Eh? Why are you expecting him to leave England that quickly?

His contract is up at the end of the World Cup

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Fans do not respect referees. Even on here, most of us, some in particular, are quick to absolutely slate the ability of a referee based on a decision they do not like (even though if any of us were to referee the professional game, assuming we were fit enough physically, we'd be horrendous when replays and stills can be used to review our decisions). To the point referee decisions are often discussed more than the countless errors the players and managers made throughout the game. And this is a forum with rules. We all have heard the language used to describe referees when there are no rules on how that criticism is articulated.

Footballers are also football fans. And long before they became professional footballers, they'd have grown up with football fans (parents, friends, etc) who find it completely normal to berate a referee. Who hear pundits on every week slag off referees. Where programs are dedicated to refs (Ref Watch), where really it is used to slag off some of the biggest mistakes, and no one really cares when the resident referee backs any of the decisions made.

Therefore, no chance on Earth footballers, in general, will ever react to a decison they do not agree with by saying "I don't agree sir, but it was a jolly tough decision to make, so I respect you could have had a perfectly logical different viewpoint".

Rugby is different for many reasons (rugby fans could explain better, I am not). Notably, it has nowhere near the exposure as football, and focusing on ref decisions in the media is really not going to gain much traction. I'd imagine the profile of rugby players and fans is different? Football tends to have more working class fans , who many can, let's just say, be more colourful in the way they express their opinions. In N Ireland (my own experience, not sure what it is like in rest of UK), it was really only Grammar Schools where it was demanded students played rugby as their main sport (Keith Gillespie had to leave my school early, because they did not want him to play football, despite playing for the Man Utd youth). Besides, when rugby players are frustrated, they can legally let off some frustration by getting physically agressive during play. Footballers can't really do the same thing, more so these days, and so that frustration is more likely to reveal itself as whinging and petulance. And because less and less contact is allowed in football as time goes on, whinging for the slightest of contact is rewarded more and more in the long run, because it can help influence the referees next decision on something pretty trivial.

No chance society will change for the benefit of professional referees/ So if they want to change the respct to referees by footballers and managers, they need to think of some drastic methods to do it. Not impossible, but of course there will be backlash when they are punished for being critical, and fans and pundits back the player because the decision was clearly wrong, thus they will be sympathetic towards the players reaction. It is why I think having referee microphones will help. Short term, we may hear some nasty things, that will need to be punished. But hopefully long term, players will realise they can be heard, and become more and more embarassed with the shame of screaming like an angry toldler, and all the discussion that follows in the week(s) after.

I get it, so its just excuses then for anyone connected or involved in football, and demonstrating a total lack of respect for the football pitch authority is ok because that the way society is going.

The days of rugby players taking a physical revenge are in the main . long gone. You obviously have forgotten Roy Keane's actions.
As for historical abuse of refs, my dad would often say you never saw players having a go at the refs, and he was on the bank standing at Charlton between the late 40's and early 60's.

 

[Swango1980]

Eh? Why are you expecting him to leave England that quickly?

He did say "Go for Tuchel", rather than he will definitely be available and come.

What makes you think Tuchel will stay with Englanjd after the World Cup? On one hand, he has expressed that he would like to remain as England manager after the World Cup. Then again, he is always going to say that, isn't he. He'd be silly to say he wants to leave the position after the World Cup, and unsettle everything. Many other sources widely expect him to leave the post in the summer, as he has a desire to return to day to day club management.