Orikoru
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Sure, but if he does well they'll extend it surely? And if they let him go it's because he's failed!
Swango1980
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No, it is NOT people making excuses at all. It is the REASON simply why it happens. It is embedded within them. When you have such significant differences between the behaviour of players in different sports, there must be a logical reason(s) why it happens. A reason is not an excuse.
The footballers are part of the footballing society. And just like many in here are quick to absolutely destroy the decisions referees make, many footballers are no different. It is just that they are face to face with the referee, are the ones being directly impacted by a decision, and react on impulse. Impulse that has been embedded into them from a very early age, and been reinforced ever since.
Swango1980
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If he wins the World Cup, maybe he'd like to go out on a high?Sure, but if he does well they'll extend it surely? And if they let him go it's because he's failed!
Arthur Wedge
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Sure, but if he does well they'll extend it surely? And if they let him go it's because he's failed!
Looking at his history I don’t see him saying past the summer regardless of what happens
Steve Wilkes
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These are thye factual decisions that VAR should be over turning, not this defenfer looks like he just got his toe on an attackers toe in a 50-50 tackle, so over turn the Refs decision and give a penalty (for the big team against a minnow)
PaulMdj
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Isn’t that my point!
The post I answered stated get rid of VAR altogether apart from a couple of scenarios.
We risk going back to missing some of the biggest decisions on the biggest stage.
I agree VAR isn’t 100% and needs consistencey, but to get rid of it in the manor suggested would, imo, make things worse.
Swango1980
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True.
Goal line technology would have cleared up the 1966 ball over the line or Lampard's effort against Germany. VAR would have ruled out Maradona's goal. Therefore, if they had technology back then, we'd have never talked about those incidents ever again, at least in regards to the controversy associated with them now.
In all liklihood, technology over the last decade has probably saved us from having to discuss massive controversial moments for many years to come, as it has been able to rectify decisions (we just don't appreciate it, because the injustices were resolved at the time). In fact, I think most of our grievances now are short-term, and often based on subjective decisions. We let off lots of hot steam when VAR doesn't agree with our opinion, and occasionally VAR doesn't agree with the majority opinion. But, I think the controversy often only lasts a week or two, and then disappears (for that specific incident). Not like 1966, Maradona, Lampard goal or Henry handball v Ireland, which are discussed decades later as being massive injustices, as they are the definition of clear and obvious.
VAR may have some major failures at times, like drawing offside lines on the wrong player (I remember happened once), or Diaz's goal wrongly being ruled out for offside due to a communication breakdown. Although they have probably learnt from issues like that, and so those failures become less and less.
My major gripe with VAR isn't the decisions themselves, because I can get just as frustrated with the on field call. It is the waiting for a decision to be made, and not knowing whether you can celebrate or not.
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Pin-seeker
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A few city players have done pretty well as well
Arthur Wedge
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Darren Fletcher got Alex Ferguson's blessing before taking Man United role
Darren Fletcher has revealed he asked for Sir Alex Ferguson's blessing before accepting the manager's job at Manchester United.
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"I don't like to make any major decisions or things without speaking to Sir Alex," Fletcher said.
"I've got a really good relationship with Sir Alex so he's probably the first person on the phone actually so I wanted to speak to him first. And ultimately to get his blessing, to be perfectly honest with you.”
There is something about this that imo just shows a lack of belief etc
And talk of Ferguson having meetings with Berrada and Wilcox ?
Does he have any official capacity at the club ?
He was/is the clubs best ever manager and since he has left it’s been downhill so there is a Ferguson size cloud over any manager that takes on the job
I remember the story about when Bob Paisley took over from Shanks - Shanks used to always turn up for training etc and the playars kept referring to him as boss etc and it felt it didn’t help so Bob asked the club to speak to him to stop him coming to the club , Shanks was very much put out by it but ultimately it was the right thing to do
Is it something the Man Utd need to do ?
Tashyboy
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The strange thing to a lot of City fans was that Spurs put in a very good bid for him but City kept him. Be interesting to see if spurs return.
Arthur Wedge
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Sad news
Darren Fletcher got Alex Ferguson's blessing before taking Man United role
Darren Fletcher has revealed he asked for Sir Alex Ferguson's blessing before accepting the manager's job at Manchester United.www.espn.co.uk
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"I don't like to make any major decisions or things without speaking to Sir Alex," Fletcher said.
"I've got a really good relationship with Sir Alex so he's probably the first person on the phone actually so I wanted to speak to him first. And ultimately to get his blessing, to be perfectly honest with you.”
There is something about this that imo just shows a lack of belief etc
And talk of Ferguson having meetings with Berrada and Wilcox ?
Does he have any official capacity at the club ?
He was/is the clubs best ever manager and since he has left it’s been downhill so there is a Ferguson size cloud over any manager that takes on the job
I remember the story about when Bob Paisley took over from Shanks - Shanks used to always turn up for training etc and the playars kept referring to him as boss etc and it felt it didn’t help so Bob asked the club to speak to him to stop him coming to the club , Shanks was very much put out by it but ultimately it was the right thing to do
Is it something the Man Utd need to do ?
I must say I was a little surprised by this. Not the fact that Fletcher spoke with Ferguson. That is a matter for him. But the fact that he said so publicly. Precisely because of how some would perceive it.
I’m not going to debate the rights or wrongs, other than to say that when those who played under Ferguson are taken on in this role, their speaking with him is perhaps no great surprise. I don’t expect the likes of Mourinho, LVG and Amorim were quite so quick to pick up the phone.
In other news, an article on BBC Sport by Tony Pulis speaks absolutely glowingly about Fletcher, and is worth a read.
Tashyboy
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Grealish was Hardly a flop with the medals he won. His decision making not Peps got him a transfer.
Kalvin Phillips was a flop in the sense he was not up to standard. He has hardly set the world on fire on his loan spell.
Savinho already given my thoughts on him.
Marmoush. I honestly wish Pep could find a formation with him Just behind
Haaland.
Cherki if he stays injury free should be a nomination for player of the season he is that good.
Re City and transfers. They haven’t don’t to bad in buying players overall.
Grealish and Phillips were bought 4 and 5 years ago so there has not been many failures in that time.
Arthur Wedge
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They just showed the stats of managers with the best record since Ferguson- Mourinho with the best record , I know the style wasnt the greatest but got results
Fletcher has always been that solid professional- the James Milner or Gareth Barry , never spectacular but always seems to be one of the first on the team sheet
It’s a heck of a role to take on as your first job , thinking back over the years and not sure who was the last player in the Prem to then transfer into a top flight manager and do well - seems to have worked well for players abroad
Arthur Wedge
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Best wishes to him in his battle against thar awful disease
Tashyboy
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Best wishes and thoughts with Kevin Keegans battle.
My son has sent me a tiktok clip of refcam from the Leeds v Man Utd game. I can't put it on here, incompetence not rules, but it's really impressive. The ref speaks very much in the style of a rugby ref, explaining each decision briefly and to the point. It's a shame we don't see more of this, it would give refs more respect.
If people know how to use tiktok, have a search for it.
If people know how to use tiktok, have a search for it.
Looks like a 4-2-3-1 for United tonight. Interesting to see how it pans out.
Arthur Wedge
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garyinderry
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We used to hear the audio from the big decisions. Im still waiting to hear the audio from the wirtz goal. Id love to hear the discussions.
