PaulMdj
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Utd have spent more than £1.43 Billion on transfers and £40 Million on managers since SAF left, Pep has spent just over £1.00 Billion on transfers.
Whose had value for money?
Whose had value for money?
Spot on!
I would expect that most top managers have bags of confidence & self-belief. They’ll believe they can improve Utd’s performances, especially with Utd’s cash flow.
Adding to @PaulMdj post, how many times did Utd break the transfer record under Fergie? Utd fans, amongst others, like to belittle what Pep has done at city but were Utd really any different during their big era? Other fans wouldn't say so.
As Utd spending as shown in recent times, you can have all of the money in the world but if you spend it badly............. City's crime seems to be spending well more often than their near neighbours.
There’s a fundamental difference between United under Ferguson and City under Pep.
Sure, both spent a lot of money. But Ferguson combined that with a really strong academy which saw a true conveyer belt of talent eventually become mainstays of the first team.
Whilst Guardiola has seen young players come through, the numbers simply don’t compare.
PaulMdj
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You’re correct, one thing they both have in common though is they both have decent Nett spends.
I also think it’s wrong to compare SAF to Pep as they managed in different era’s.
I don’t think either would of been successful managing in each others era’s.
The clubs were in a different stage of life. Utd were long established, were able to bring in top kids that they then brought through. City were brilliant locally but not further afield, in effect their academy was nowhere near as advanced. City have fast tracked everything in order to catch up.
They are now churning players out, don't need to spend as frequently. They've caught up. You can't blame city for not wanting to wait
Slime
Tour Winner
The big difference, to me at least, is that United's money was their own which they had generated themselves.
City's money just arrived and had not been generated through football.
City's money just arrived and had not been generated through football.
PaulMdj
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Utd have had sponsorship deals with Saudi Arabia and other Middle East business’s since 2008. I wonder if they refused the £2 Mil winners chq for the 2024 Emirates FA Cup as well?Fairly sure Ratcliffe arrived with deep pockets…
INEOS
It’s the old “some oil money is ok, but a lot is bad”
Swango1980
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As are we
Swango1980
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Most people on this forum seem to be confident enough to know how to improve Man Utd, so a top qualified coach will no doubt believe they can make Utd world beaters
Tashyboy
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Seriously. What does compare mean. Players that came through to play in the first team or players that have made half a billion quid for the club
Quote.
Key Examples of Sold Academy Players
- Cole Palmer: Became City's most expensive academy sale when he moved to Chelsea for a substantial fee, with sell-on clauses adding to the total income.
- Romeo Lavia: Moved from City to Southampton, then to Chelsea, generating significant funds through multiple transfers.
- James Trafford: Sold to Burnley for a notable fee, with City retaining a buy-back clause, a smart financial play, say Football.com.
- Kelechi Iheanacho: Moved to Leicester City for a reported €27.7m, according to Transfermarkt.
- Brahim Diaz & Angelino: Both brought in considerable funds before reaching major breakthrough status at City, notes OneFootball.
- Taylor Harwood-Bellis & Yan Couto: Recent departures also bringing in substantial fees, says Transfermarkt.
- Selling academy graduates is a key part of Manchester City's financial strategy, helping to refresh the squad and generate significant income, as reported by The Guardian and OneFootball.
- While many are sold, some academy products, like Phil Foden and Micah Richards, become established first-team players, highlighting the dual success of the academy, say Transfermarkt and Wikipedia.
The £442million Man City have made from selling academy graduates etc etc...
Bottom line where has that youth policy got Utd. Al it has done is highlighted another mismanagement of the club. Especially when ex Utd players were preferring to send there kids to City’s academy and not Utds.
PaulMdj
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Mate, Micah Richards was with Leeds and Oldham before City as a kid and made his debut before the Arabs took over.Seriously. What does compare mean. Players that came through to play in the first team or players that have made half a billion quid for the club
Quote.
Key Examples of Sold Academy Players
Strategic Importance
- Cole Palmer: Became City's most expensive academy sale when he moved to Chelsea for a substantial fee, with sell-on clauses adding to the total income.
- Romeo Lavia: Moved from City to Southampton, then to Chelsea, generating significant funds through multiple transfers.
- James Trafford: Sold to Burnley for a notable fee, with City retaining a buy-back clause, a smart financial play, say Football.com.
- Kelechi Iheanacho: Moved to Leicester City for a reported €27.7m, according to Transfermarkt.
- Brahim Diaz & Angelino: Both brought in considerable funds before reaching major breakthrough status at City, notes OneFootball.
- Taylor Harwood-Bellis & Yan Couto: Recent departures also bringing in substantial fees, says Transfermarkt.
Homegrown Talent Successes
- Selling academy graduates is a key part of Manchester City's financial strategy, helping to refresh the squad and generate significant income, as reported by The Guardian and OneFootball.
- While many are sold, some academy products, like Phil Foden and Micah Richards, become established first-team players, highlighting the dual success of the academy, say Transfermarkt and Wikipedia.
The £442million Man City have made from selling academy graduates etc etc...
Bottom line where has that youth policy got Utd. Al it has done is highlighted another mismanagement of the club. Especially when ex Utd players were preferring to send there kids to City’s academy and not Utds.
Out of all those listed is only Foden whose had success with yous.
It maybe financially sound, but you can’t compare your youth success to Utd’s.
I doubt we’ll ever see a team have success on the field like Utd did.
Sometimes it’s not all about money.
Seriously. What does compare mean. Players that came through to play in the first team or players that have made half a billion quid for the club
Quote.
Key Examples of Sold Academy Players
Strategic Importance
- Cole Palmer: Became City's most expensive academy sale when he moved to Chelsea for a substantial fee, with sell-on clauses adding to the total income.
- Romeo Lavia: Moved from City to Southampton, then to Chelsea, generating significant funds through multiple transfers.
- James Trafford: Sold to Burnley for a notable fee, with City retaining a buy-back clause, a smart financial play, say Football.com.
- Kelechi Iheanacho: Moved to Leicester City for a reported €27.7m, according to Transfermarkt.
- Brahim Diaz & Angelino: Both brought in considerable funds before reaching major breakthrough status at City, notes OneFootball.
- Taylor Harwood-Bellis & Yan Couto: Recent departures also bringing in substantial fees, says Transfermarkt.
Homegrown Talent Successes
- Selling academy graduates is a key part of Manchester City's financial strategy, helping to refresh the squad and generate significant income, as reported by The Guardian and OneFootball.
- While many are sold, some academy products, like Phil Foden and Micah Richards, become established first-team players, highlighting the dual success of the academy, say Transfermarkt and Wikipedia.
The £442million Man City have made from selling academy graduates etc etc...
Bottom line where has that youth policy got Utd. Al it has done is highlighted another mismanagement of the club. Especially when ex Utd players were preferring to send there kids to City’s academy and not Utds.
I’d rather win things and play fast, aggressive, entertaining football, with academy players at the heart of it, than sell them as soon as they break into the first team.
Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
Tashyboy
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Micah Richards is quoted after Billy Boots class of 92
As recently as last month Amorin was publicly denouncing the quality of academy players at Utd. The week City played 7 academy players in a game Utd had one on the bench.
The discussion of Acadamy players is alongside the first team, a manager who was inflexible, an old stadium etc etc.
Utd have deep rooted problems of which a new manager will Not solve.
The discussions re Utd at there best are now historic.
The “ Yeah but back in the Olden days we were better than you are now”. Just goes to show how far off the pace Utd now are As a Club. Do I take any joy from that. Not really.
Tashyboy
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But that is the thing BB. The days of acadamy players breaking through at Utd are in the distant future. The game has changed for everyone.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
City's youth team/academy is pants - even the mighty Millers beat them 4-2 in the Vertu Trophy this season. City were 2-0 up at half time and we had our 2nd team playingMicah Richards is quoted after Billy Boots class of 92
As recently as last month Amorin was publicly denouncing the quality of academy players at Utd. The week City played 7 academy players in a game Utd had one on the bench.
The discussion of Acadamy players is alongside the first team, a manager who was inflexible, an old stadium etc etc.
Utd have deep rooted problems of which a new manager will Not solve.
The discussions re Utd at there best are now historic.
The “ Yeah but back in the Olden days we were better than you are now”. Just goes to show how far off the pace Utd now are As a Club. Do I take any joy from that. Not really.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
But that is the thing BB. The days of acadamy players breaking through at Utd are in the distant future. The game has changed for everyone.
Have they not had the likes of
Mainoo
Rashford
Break through in recent years plus both the fletchers playing recently
It’s one thing Man Utd try to do - being through players
Swango1980
Well-known member
Did you mean the distant future, or the distant past?But that is the thing BB. The days of acadamy players breaking through at Utd are in the distant future. The game has changed for everyone.
I suspect it is dufficult for any youth academy player to break through into a side where the Senior players are struggling, and where the focus of the media is massive. So even if Man Utd had players of the quality of Class of 92, it would still be struggle for them in the first team. That being said, Mainoo is still a great example if a youth player breaking in to the first team, doing well and getting into the England squad for a summer tournament. Sure, he hasn't had a good time under Amorim, but he has still shown he could well have a very bright future. We have a few others out on loan, and some others that have had decent careers, albeit also had struggles at Utd for one reason or another (e.g. Rashford, Greenwood).
Young players have to start somewhere, and I agree Man Utd first team is not the ideal place for most of them to do this at the moment. But, whether it takes a few years or a few decades, you'd expect at some point Man Utd will find themsevles with some good experienced professionals, put in some consistent performances and be in a position to develop young players breaking through. And I'd imagine Manchester United Academy is still good one to be part of if you are an exciting talented youngster (not the only one, I stress)
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Jeez, are you all still talking about Manyoo, rather than getting excited about the MASSIVE game that's on tonight???
I am of course talking about West Ham v Forest.
Or, if you wish to use the proper name: El Crappio.
I am of course talking about West Ham v Forest.
Or, if you wish to use the proper name: El Crappio.
