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nickjdavis said:
Tuchel should leave Bellingham to sweat over the winter and not include him in the squad for the March friendlies.

He's got to send the message that the team is bigger than the individual and that Bellingham has got to leave his ego behind him when he pulls on the England shirt.
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It only ever seems to be England that have issues with players with “ego’s”
- the best players do have an ego , they are confident in their ability , countries that win major tournaments ensure their best players get on the pitch and Bellingham is one of those. England constantly mis manage their best players and it’s been that way since the 90’s
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Would suggest what he has achieved at Real Madrid and being a massive player in them winning the league and CL shows he is a hugely talented player who should be one of the first names on the team sheet for England
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Tuchel will consider his opponents, how he wants to play, and decide upon a combination of players he thinks can work together to win the game. He has already shown that he wont pick the best players, squeeze them into various positions and then fill what gaps remain. The best individuals will sometimes not start if the manager considers that a certain combination of "lesser" players would provide a better synergy. This is where Tuchel is different (or has been so far) to previous managers.

I do not believe he will pick a player and build a team around him...you are already losing the "team ethos". He is not stupid, he is obviously aware of Bellinghams talents, but he also must see his negative traits as being detrimental to the team ethos.

Bellingham is not a shoe in in Thomas Tuchels world.
 
irip said:
What is going on with the Italians?
Done 4-1 at home by Norway.
Failed to make the last 2 world cups and looking iffy for this one but won the Euros in between.

Just not a good side anymore or been a bit unlucky? Or something else?
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Very weak team at the the national side they’re suffering from a long term decline in their youth development and tactically they don’t seem to be able to move beyond the old way of playing where they had a miserly defence, technically gifted ball players in the middle and clinical strikers. They’re literally lacking talent across the whole squad in all positions with the odd exception of a Donnaruma or Tonali. Serie A was always predominantly Italian players first with a handful of foreign superstars thrown in but the lack of talent coming through they’ve massively diluted the league with average foreign players so their own are suffering.

It’s quite sad to see especially for those of us with some Italian family was always good to see the Azzuri performing well, haven’t Been since 2019 now but always loved going out to visit in Bologna and go watch the Serie A games and the odd national match. To give you an idea of how it’s got even our family side Bologna only have 12 registered Italians in the first team squad of 28 players, and across the league only 33% of registered first team players are Italian! That never used to happen and it’s something causing them issues. . Euro 2020 was an exception as the aging team managed to do what they did in 2006 and perform as a collective rather than with individual brilliance sadly they’re doing neither at the moment.
 
4LEX said:
Difficult one that!

You'd say he's one of 3 players looking for the role behind Kane but he's not really done enough to cement the spot. Bellingham, Foden and Palmer is a ridiculous pick though. They would all get into any team in the world IMO.

I'd favour Bellingham on football ability but I think he's got a bit of an ego which isn't going down too well with Tuchel. The all round choice would be Palmer. Still plenty of time before the WC to see how things go....

Your view?
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Good summary.
If it were me, and they were all fit, I think I'd start with Palmer.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
It only ever seems to be England that have issues with players with “ego’s”
- the best players do have an ego , they are confident in their ability , countries that win major tournaments ensure their best players get on the pitch and Bellingham is one of those. England constantly mis manage their best players and it’s been that way since the 90’s
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I would suggest that in the past England have kow-tow'd to popular opinion and shoe-horned their best players in at the expense of the team. Players have been all to aware that they will get picked because of who they are/who they play for and have had a blase attitude to the England team. When the time comes for a bit of teamwork they have failed....especially with the talent we had in the 2000's who simply didnt function, in many cases due to inter club rivalries.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Would suggest what he has achieved at Real Madrid and being a massive player in them winning the league and CL shows he is a hugely talented player who should be one of the first names on the team sheet for England
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Just because he plays for RM doesn't make him undropable.
Whilst I agree a player playing abroad will learn extra things, some good some bad, I do not think that makes them an automatic selection for the National squad.
RM aren't the be all and end all of football.
 
nickjdavis said:
Tuchel will consider his opponents, how he wants to play, and decide upon a combination of players he thinks can work together to win the game. He has already shown that he wont pick the best players, squeeze them into various positions and then fill what gaps remain. The best individuals will sometimes not start if the manager considers that a certain combination of "lesser" players would provide a better synergy. This is where Tuchel is different (or has been so far) to previous managers.

I do not believe he will pick a player and build a team around him...you are already losing the "team ethos". He is not stupid, he is obviously aware of Bellinghams talents, but he also must see his negative traits as being detrimental to the team ethos.

Bellingham is not a shoe in in Thomas Tuchels world.
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And when it comes to the major tournaments he will need the best players there - and if one of the best players in Europe is not on the pitch it will be to the detriment of the team

The best managers find a way to get the best playing , an England team with Bellingham playing in it is stronger
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Just because he plays for RM doesn't make him undropable.
Whilst I agree a player playing abroad will learn extra things, some good some bad, I do not think that makes them an automatic selection for the National squad.
RM aren't the be all and end all of football.
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He didn’t just play for Madrid , he was key to them winning the CL and the title , he was also key for England in them getting to the last tournament final
 
nickjdavis said:
I would suggest that in the past England have kow-tow'd to popular opinion and shoe-horned their best players in at the expense of the team. Players have been all to aware that they will get picked because of who they are/who they play for and have had a blase attitude to the England team. When the time comes for a bit of teamwork they have failed....especially with the talent we had in the 2000's who simply didnt function, in many cases due to inter club rivalries.
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Bellingham wouldnt be shoe horned anywhere - he has proved himself in the last tournament, you won’t win a tournament with Rodgers as a ten , you have every chance with Bellingham as the ten - he is the best English ten out there and has proved it
 
If Tuchel wants to play with wingers, then someone is going to miss out and that’s just how it is, it’s elite level sport and the players have to accept that.

We have enough quality across all of the midfield positions that we should be playing people in their actual positions, unless there is an injury then we shouldn’t be looking at shoehorning anyone into the team.
 
I'd rather have the best team out on the pitch rather than the best individuals. England have a long and disappointing history of focusing on one player and picking them no matter what. Let's hope Tuchel doesn't follow that.

I'd love an all firing Bellingham to be in the team but if he isn't the best option, leave him out.
 
4LEX said:
Difficult one that!

You'd say he's one of 3 players looking for the role behind Kane but he's not really done enough to cement the spot. Bellingham, Foden and Palmer is a ridiculous pick though. They would all get into any team in the world IMO.

I'd favour Bellingham on football ability but I think he's got a bit of an ego which isn't going down too well with Tuchel. The all round choice would be Palmer. Still plenty of time before the WC to see how things go....

Your view?
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I don’t think there is a great deal between the three players that you mention when it comes to football ability. But when it comes to attitude. Bellinghams stinks. He has a horrible Real Madrid attitude in him which he brings to the England camp. The ironic thing is that Southgate brought the players together, there never seemed to be a problem with them as a group and yet Bellingham seems to have not learned from that.
Ironically it was explained why Bellingham was brought off. He was on a yellow card and another would have seen him miss early games in the World Cup, similar to Ronaldo. Now if Tuchel had not brought him off and Bellingham gets another yellow or red, Tuchel is going to get roasted.
I would be tempted to let Bellingham sit at home for a bit. Got to say Tuchel has handles it well though.
 
When it comes to England tens the one that should miss out if all are fit is Foden - he is the one that’s not really done it for England - the others have played well in an England shirt - Bellingham and Palmer in major tournaments as well

England best three in the middle should be

Either Wharton or Anderson as the 6

Then Rice as an 8 and Bellingham as the 10

You could also have Rice as a 6 then Bellingham as an 8 and Palmer as your 10

But Rice and Bellingham are the two key players in the middle

England have a potentially top class front 6

The friendlies coming up though in March they need to test themselves, highest ranked team they have played is Senegal and they lost that
 
I still don't know why we're scared of just playing Bellingham alongside Rice in the midfield two. But that aside, I'd have Bellingham as the number 10 with Foden on the bench. Palmer can be Kane's first replacement, he's played false nine for Chelsea and probably has the closest skillset to Kane out of anyone - the all-round game with the finishing (just lacking the aerial ability, although he is tall enough).
 
Orikoru said:
I still don't know why we're scared of just playing Bellingham alongside Rice in the midfield two. But that aside, I'd have Bellingham as the number 10 with Foden on the bench. Palmer can be Kane's first replacement, he's played false nine for Chelsea and probably has the closest skillset to Kane out of anyone - the all-round game with the finishing (just lacking the aerial ability, although he is tall enough).
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To play as a two with Bellingham and Rice you would need Rice to be more disciplined

It’s something that would work when you know the team is going to get a lot of the ball but you need to be careful not too have too many players stepping on each others toes - for Palmer to be the 10 in front of Bellingham and Rice you will need to ensure Kane plays as the 9 and doesn’t keep dropping

Its why Bellingham as the ten works beater as he has no issues going beyond Kane
 
I think depending on the opposition we could play Rice,Bellingham and Palmer or Foden.
If stronger opposition we could then bring in Anderson for Palmer or Foden
 
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