road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
I took Dorking Wanderers up from the National League South up to the Champions League places and won an FA Cup along the way on Champ Manager. I don't think I'd have done much worse with United......
I took Dorking Wanderers up from the National League South up to the Champions League places and won an FA Cup along the way on Champ Manager. I don't think I'd have done much worse with United......
Swango1980
Well-known member
What I don't get is this:
When you watch the best teams play, when in possession, they almost always have an easy pass on. One of your defenders or wing backs is on the ball, I guess Rodri will always make himself an easy pass, if there are no other options up front. And the ball moves fluidly.
With Utd, one of our defenders / wingbacks gets the ball, many many times they literally have nothing on, except for going back to the keeper of centre back. I watched Mainoo and Ugarte when the likes of Dorgu got the ball. They just jog up front towards the attacking players, behind Grimsby players, and are not an option. I shouted so often at Mainoo, "JUST STEP 5 YARDS BACK, AND YOU ARE IN OCEANS OF SPACE TO RECEIVE THE BALL" but he just trots forward. This happens under Amorim, Ten Hag, Solskjaer, etc. It happens under every system we play. It is almost like there is a culture amongst the deeper midfielders that they can't sit back, they need to "attack, attack, attack" with the whole team.
I still think Bruno is the real conundrum. When he plays, he could be playing in one of about 3 positions. Although it doesn't matter, as he just runs where he wants to run. He demands to take responsibility for everything, and I think the rest of the team just give in to his domination. Just try and get the ball to Bruno, then we'll all charge forward and see if he can pick one of us out with a Hollywood pass. Then, on the rare occasions he doesn't play, they almost seem confused as to who is going to lead them. It is like many of them are pawns, and don't know how to take more responsibility on themselves. And when they do, it is almost half hearted. Bruno has been our best player, but I do often think that if he was completely removed from the team, then it would force the players to start fresh. I may be completely wrong of course, there are huge issues within that squad that go well beyond the manager.
The one thing I would say is that the players brought in, Cunha and Mbuemo at least, are very good and I think any manager would find a place for them. They are not players Utd will be stuck with, imo. If they did replace him, joking aside it is too early yet, it is not his buys that are dragging the club down. The next man would be in the same position, but with perhaps greater flexibility to get the best out of them.The manager is not producing anywhere near the results required.
Do they stay with him or rip up the textbook and start over again with someone else.
If it’s the latter and the new man comes in what happens to the players bought during Amorin’s tenure.
It’s back to square one again as the new man will want his own players and system.
I think they would be better off sticking with him.
Or maybe a decent caretaker till they get the man they want. What is Ole up to nowadays?
irip
Head Pro
Them 2 yes I agree, both good players that are proven in the premier league.
What about the other players he has bought though would the new man want
De Light
Dorgu
Ugarte
Yoro
Sesko
That’s 5 off the top of my head, do they join the other 5 or so they can’t seem to currently shift.
They could have a reserve side that cost more than the first team
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Way too early to put Sesko in that bracket of nobody would want. Not even played a full league game yet so he needs time and it’s clear to see his potential the bigger question is, about whether he’s the right manager to fulfill that potential. But could easily be another case of poor recruitment in the sense he chose Utd over other Champions league clubs was that because of a large contract or does he believe in the managers approachThem 2 yes I agree, both good players that are proven in the premier league.
What about the other players he has bought though would the new man want
De Light
Dorgu
Ugarte
Yoro
Sesko
That’s 5 off the top of my head, do they join the other 5 or so they can’t seem to currently shift.
They could have a reserve side that cost more than the first team
As for the other 4 players I’m with you I’ve seen nothing in them that suggests they’re good enough for the premier league in general let alone a club like Utd
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
If a manager has only one system of playing it won’t take long for other teams to work it out and counter that system.
UTD are making it easier for other teams by not even having the players to play the chosen system.
But lack of a plan B in the PL is just an accident waiting to happen.
If you can’t change tactics mid game to counter your opponents your dead.
It’s sad to see a great club going through this but mildly amusing
Just one other thing do the players have faith in the manager?
The way he was hiding in the penalty shootout was very strange, a manager should be front and centre imo not cowering in the dugout like he’s having a meltdown.
irip
Head Pro
Yeah a bit harsh on Sesko but no guarantee a new manager would want him. He might well want a different front man who he thinks fits his system better though.Way too early to put Sesko in that bracket of nobody would want. Not even played a full league game yet so he needs time and it’s clear to see his potential the bigger question is, about whether he’s the right manager to fulfill that potential. But could easily be another case of poor recruitment in the sense he chose Utd over other Champions league clubs was that because of a large contract or does he believe in the managers approach
As for the other 4 players I’m with you I’ve seen nothing in them that suggests they’re good enough for the premier league in general let alone a club like Utd
I think they are just as well sticking with Amorin for a few seasons though.
Offload as many as they can let him build his own squad and see where they are in 2/3 seasons.
They have tried the lots of different manager route and that hasn’t worked
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Well exactly, that's my point! They get a PL finish of 15th, no European football and they can still afford to chuck a couple of hundred million (and the rest) at the problem...yet appear not to be solving it!
irip
Head Pro
So you expect a squad that finished 15th last year to be top of the table now?
They can afford to spend the money because they bring in more than any other club.
According to the websites I saw he has bought the two mentioned plus Sesko and Dorgu, a left back.Them 2 yes I agree, both good players that are proven in the premier league.
What about the other players he has bought though would the new man want
De Light
Dorgu
Ugarte
Yoro
Sesko
That’s 5 off the top of my head, do they join the other 5 or so they can’t seem to currently shift.
They could have a reserve side that cost more than the first team
The others were bought prior to him. This may be wrong, I am going off what I saw.
Dorgu is a young player, can't comment on him. Sesko is an unkown to me but they have spent big on him, pushing Newcastle out of the way, so you have to expect they think he will suit whoever. If not..................that's another problem down the line
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
Those lads have clearly never visited the City Ground.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Nice Straw Man there, that's not what I said at all. I said that at a cost of £1.1 billion I'd expect more than "not far off fairly decent."
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
I think Yoro is a good playerThem 2 yes I agree, both good players that are proven in the premier league.
What about the other players he has bought though would the new man want
De Light
Dorgu
Ugarte
Yoro
Sesko
That’s 5 off the top of my head, do they join the other 5 or so they can’t seem to currently shift.
They could have a reserve side that cost more than the first team
We were after him but weren’t going to pay the money they wanted for him
irip
Head Pro
I wonder if they bought Sesko because they knew they needed a central striker and there are not loads out there, they originally wanted Gyorkes but he picked Arsenal.
If United transfers of the last 10 years are anything to go on he will be on strike this time next year and available for the price of 4 corner flags and a ball pump
4LEX
Well-known member
Utd could've been 3 down but on the flipside, they really should've nicked it 3-2 at the end. I also think the waterlogged pitch impacted them in the second half and stopped them carrying the ball forward at pace.
Cunha and Mbeumo looked very lively too so it's not all bad news.
My take on the issues at Utd are as follows;
The reason the midfield is so weak is by design, the formation is intended for the defence to step up into that space. Hence why you see De Ligt so far advanced.
The wing backs aren't good enough for the formation. Dalot isn't good enough, Amad isn't a full back and Dorgu is pretty inexperienced.
Seems crazy playing with 3 number 10's (or 4 if you count Mount), which was the only position Utd actually had a world class player in. At least Cunha and Mbeumo can play further wide though.
The keeper situation is beyond a joke and no idea why that wasn't fixed last summer.
One dimensional manager and tactics. Imagine how easy it is to stop Utd when everyone knows exactly how they'll play game in, game out.
That squad can easily compete for Top 4 as it is. People forget ETH got a worse team into the Top 4 a few years back. I know the competition has increased but it's still a very good team. A new manager, switch of formation and a flying winger would be game changers.
Mcclaren had the brolly moment, Amorin with the tactics board is worse. Not sure he can survive that on top of everything else.
Cunha and Mbeumo looked very lively too so it's not all bad news.
My take on the issues at Utd are as follows;
The reason the midfield is so weak is by design, the formation is intended for the defence to step up into that space. Hence why you see De Ligt so far advanced.
The wing backs aren't good enough for the formation. Dalot isn't good enough, Amad isn't a full back and Dorgu is pretty inexperienced.
Seems crazy playing with 3 number 10's (or 4 if you count Mount), which was the only position Utd actually had a world class player in. At least Cunha and Mbeumo can play further wide though.
The keeper situation is beyond a joke and no idea why that wasn't fixed last summer.
One dimensional manager and tactics. Imagine how easy it is to stop Utd when everyone knows exactly how they'll play game in, game out.
That squad can easily compete for Top 4 as it is. People forget ETH got a worse team into the Top 4 a few years back. I know the competition has increased but it's still a very good team. A new manager, switch of formation and a flying winger would be game changers.
Mcclaren had the brolly moment, Amorin with the tactics board is worse. Not sure he can survive that on top of everything else.
irip
Head Pro
Yes you would expect that, but not if spent on the wrong players or players with the wrong attitude.
Someone like Sancho they would have been better giving the transfer fee to charity at least they would have saved his wages.
My point is if you don’t spend whatever money you have well then you got the same problems or worse just with less money in your account.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
With the money spent and players they've bought in? Yes. Forest did it last season having spent relatively little on bolstering the squad (only real additions were Milenkovic and Elliot Anderson
irip
Head Pro
I think he looks decent as well. He should be the type of young player they are trying to buy.
irip
Head Pro
They did and how surprised were you.Yes. Forest did it last season
I wouldn’t say it is a common occurrence though.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
I just edited my post....because the quality United have bought in - they should be aspiring to be much higher than 15th this season.
