The Footie Thread

[Morfeen75]

I think Emery would be mental to go for a "bigger" club again. Look what happened at arsenal. The fans and the board expect more so pressure is higher. I'm sure villa fans will agree they don't expect for example to qualify for the champs league every year so if this year they "only" got Europa they would be grateful but if it was man united the board would be disappointed

He was the right manager just wrong time at Arsenal. The Wenger hangover matched with the over expectations from a majority of fans aswell as an average squad stopped him from being successful.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Even if Villa don't win anything or get top 4 as long as they are a European side in one of the comps (and to be honest would be a Europa League favourite on current form) and building year on year. Emery may see that as enough. He has funds, building a side in his mould and clearly loved by board, players and fans. Why risk that for a difficult tenure somewhere that may be over in months?

 

[Swango1980]

Even if Villa don't win anything or get top 4 as long as they are a European side in one of the comps (and to be honest would be a Europa League favourite on current form) and building year on year. Emery may see that as enough. He has funds, building a side in his mould and clearly loved by board, players and fans. Why risk that for a difficult tenure somewhere that may be over in months?

I agree with a lot of what you say before the bold bit, I can see many reasons for Emery to stay at Villa and see what he can help build for a few years.

However, as the discussion started by saying "why would he go to Man Utd?", in that sense I don't think there is much chance of it "being over in months" unless something truly horrific happens. After Moyes, van Gaal got a couple of years, Mourinho 2.5 years and Solskjaer 3 years. And that was purely under the Glazers. ETH is now in Season 3. Since INEOS have come in, there has been pretty much constant "pressure" from all corners of the media to sack ETH. It still seems like, on a daily basis, the media are doing segments on who should replace ETH. If INEOS were the type of owners that were happy to sack managers quickly, I suspect they'd have done it by now, it would have been the easy decision in many respects.

So, my feeling would be that whoever the next manager is, INEOS will hopefully be confident in whoever it is they appoint, and would give them every opportunity (including time) to settle and hopefully succeed. That is what I'd hope anyway.

Of course, if the talk was about going to a club like Chelsea or Watford, then I'd fully agree with the bit in bold.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I agree with a lot of what you say before the bold bit, I can see many reasons for Emery to stay at Villa and see what he can help build for a few years.

However, as the discussion started by saying "why would he go to Man Utd?", in that sense I don't think there is much chance of it "being over in months" unless something truly horrific happens. After Moyes, van Gaal got a couple of years, Mourinho 2.5 years and Solskjaer 3 years. And that was purely under the Glazers. ETH is now in Season 3. Since INEOS have come in, there has been pretty much constant "pressure" from all corners of the media to sack ETH. It still seems like, on a daily basis, the media are doing segments on who should replace ETH. If INEOS were the type of owners that were happy to sack managers quickly, I suspect they'd have done it by now, it would have been the easy decision in many respects.

So, my feeling would be that whoever the next manager is, INEOS will hopefully be confident in whoever it is they appoint, and would give them every opportunity (including time) to settle and hopefully succeed. That is what I'd hope anyway.

Of course, if the talk was about going to a club like Chelsea or Watford, then I'd fully agree with the bit in bold.

The point being even if he gets time at Old Trafford and a minimum of 2 years, how many of those managers will feel they truly had a good time and run of it with all the changing room politics, board issues and the side in place which in my opinion still isn't as good as Villa. Why go somewhere that is clearly a club still trying to sort things on and off the pitch

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Emery was going in after Wenger - always a tough ask and his first season he moved the team on a bit - second just started poorly , for some reason he was looked down on when his record was clearly very good

Tough ask because Wenger had run the team down for a while. It needed a rebuild and that manager rarely comes out of it well. He was the patsy in the situation.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Emery is doing a great job at Villa and it’s great to see but there are in football some jobs that will attract managers.

Emery will want to have another go at one of those again - and if the situation is right then I think he would go into a Man Utd , but I think there are going to be some other clubs looking at him over the next 18 months

 

[Swango1980]

The point being even if he gets time at Old Trafford and a minimum of 2 years, how many of those managers will feel they truly had a good time and run of it with all the changing room politics, board issues and the side in place which in my opinion still isn't as good as Villa. Why go somewhere that is clearly a club still trying to sort things on and off the pitch

I guess of all managers that ultimately end up sacked, how many will come out and say "I had a good run"? They'll always have excuses why it didn't work for them.

I suppose you could say the same about any of the biggest clubs in the world, that have a high global profile. When things are not going well for them, why would any manager go there? If Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc are going through lean years, why would any manager that is doing well somewhere else go there? I'm sure there are managers that definitely wouldn't want to go to any of those struggling big clubs, because they don't feel they can handle that level of pressure and scrutiny, and much prefer the life at the club where expectations are lower, scrutiny less intense and already loved by fans. That is fine, and clearly those managers are not the right type of person for that level of high pressure job. I've no idea what sort of confidence Emery has, maybe he doesn't believe he is capable of succeeding where others have said ETH has failed?

However, other managers would be attracted to those struggling clubs. Obviously, the money is likely to be better, which is always an important factor. But, some managers have supreme confidence in their own ability, and firmly believe that they can help build a team (with decent money to spend) to get that club challenging at the top again. They'll see it as an exciting challenge, and if they succeed know they'll probably gain legendary status. Sure, they may end up failing. But, it is that confidence and attitude that at least ticks one of the boxes for the type of manager that is required in a high pressure role like that. They'll see it as a huge, but exciting challenge, and will be motivated by that.

 

[Bdill93]

Why did goal line technology have to fail? Literally the only time it's not worked

We switched it off

 

[Bdill93]

Emery is doing a great job at Villa and it’s great to see but there are in football some jobs that will attract managers.

Emery will want to have another go at one of those again - and if the situation is right then I think he would go into a Man Utd , but I think there are going to be some other clubs looking at him over the next 18 months

Good luck to them trying to poach him. We've gone big on him, given him everything he could ask for etc much like you did for Klopp. I dont think theres a club in the world that get him off us for the next 5 years or so other than maybe a massive Spanish club.

 

[Bdill93]

I agree with a lot of what you say before the bold bit, I can see many reasons for Emery to stay at Villa and see what he can help build for a few years.

However, as the discussion started by saying "why would he go to Man Utd?", in that sense I don't think there is much chance of it "being over in months" unless something truly horrific happens. After Moyes, van Gaal got a couple of years, Mourinho 2.5 years and Solskjaer 3 years. And that was purely under the Glazers. ETH is now in Season 3. Since INEOS have come in, there has been pretty much constant "pressure" from all corners of the media to sack ETH. It still seems like, on a daily basis, the media are doing segments on who should replace ETH. If INEOS were the type of owners that were happy to sack managers quickly, I suspect they'd have done it by now, it would have been the easy decision in many respects.

So, my feeling would be that whoever the next manager is, INEOS will hopefully be confident in whoever it is they appoint, and would give them every opportunity (including time) to settle and hopefully succeed. That is what I'd hope anyway.

Of course, if the talk was about going to a club like Chelsea or Watford, then I'd fully agree with the bit in bold.

United aint getting him mate, keep dreaming

 

[Bdill93]

Tough ask because Wenger had run the team down for a while. It needed a rebuild and that manager rarely comes out of it well. He was the patsy in the situation.

I read yesterday that he went undefeated in his first 27 games at Arsenal, they just never would have accepted anyone to replace Wenger at the time.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Good luck to them trying to poach him. We've gone big on him, given him everything he could ask for etc much like you did for Klopp. I dont think theres a club in the world that get him off us for the next 5 years or so other than maybe a massive Spanish club.

The next 18 months are key , it’s how much more they can progress

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I guess of all managers that ultimately end up sacked, how many will come out and say "I had a good run"? They'll always have excuses why it didn't work for them.

I suppose you could say the same about any of the biggest clubs in the world, that have a high global profile. When things are not going well for them, why would any manager go there? If Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc are going through lean years, why would any manager that is doing well somewhere else go there? I'm sure there are managers that definitely wouldn't want to go to any of those struggling big clubs, because they don't feel they can handle that level of pressure and scrutiny, and much prefer the life at the club where expectations are lower, scrutiny less intense and already loved by fans. That is fine, and clearly those managers are not the right type of person for that level of high pressure job. I've no idea what sort of confidence Emery has, maybe he doesn't believe he is capable of succeeding where others have said ETH has failed?

However, other managers would be attracted to those struggling clubs. Obviously, the money is likely to be better, which is always an important factor. But, some managers have supreme confidence in their own ability, and firmly believe that they can help build a team (with decent money to spend) to get that club challenging at the top again. They'll see it as an exciting challenge, and if they succeed know they'll probably gain legendary status. Sure, they may end up failing. But, it is that confidence and attitude that at least ticks one of the boxes for the type of manager that is required in a high pressure role like that. They'll see it as a huge, but exciting challenge, and will be motivated by that.

Potter didn't fare too well after Chelsea. Where are Van Gaal and Ole

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The next 18 months are key , it’s how much more they can progress

How long did it take Klopp? How long as Emery been at Villa and how much longer would he need?

 

[Bdill93]

The next 18 months are key , it’s how much more they can progress

Made great sales in summer, we will spend as and when we need to.

If you picked up Trent and Salah and dropped them into the Villa side, we would be title contenders, thats how close we are.

1 world class winger and a proper RB needed.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I read yesterday that he went undefeated in his first 27 games at Arsenal, they just never would have accepted anyone to replace Wenger at the time.

They lost the first two games he managed ( city and Chelsea ) then was unbeaten in the league until December

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Made great sales in summer, we will spend as and when we need to.

If you picked up Trent and Salah and dropped them into the Villa side, we would be title contenders, thats how close we are.

1 world class winger and a proper RB needed.

And every chance of attracting better player at the moment

 

[Bdill93]

I guess of all managers that ultimately end up sacked, how many will come out and say "I had a good run"? They'll always have excuses why it didn't work for them.

I suppose you could say the same about any of the biggest clubs in the world, that have a high global profile. When things are not going well for them, why would any manager go there? If Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc are going through lean years, why would any manager that is doing well somewhere else go there? I'm sure there are managers that definitely wouldn't want to go to any of those struggling big clubs, because they don't feel they can handle that level of pressure and scrutiny, and much prefer the life at the club where expectations are lower, scrutiny less intense and already loved by fans. That is fine, and clearly those managers are not the right type of person for that level of high pressure job. I've no idea what sort of confidence Emery has, maybe he doesn't believe he is capable of succeeding where others have said ETH has failed?

However, other managers would be attracted to those struggling clubs. Obviously, the money is likely to be better, which is always an important factor. But, some managers have supreme confidence in their own ability, and firmly believe that they can help build a team (with decent money to spend) to get that club challenging at the top again. They'll see it as an exciting challenge, and if they succeed know they'll probably gain legendary status. Sure, they may end up failing. But, it is that confidence and attitude that at least ticks one of the boxes for the type of manager that is required in a high pressure role like that. They'll see it as a huge, but exciting challenge, and will be motivated by that.

My one concern if I was a United fan would be what on earth is going on tbf.

Every top candidate in world football is taking jobs elsewhere at the moment, why?

I know you have a manager, but these guys surely know ETH is under big threat?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Made great sales in summer, we will spend as and when we need to.

If you picked up Trent and Salah and dropped them into the Villa side, we would be title contenders, thats how close we are.

1 world class winger and a proper RB needed.

It will depend on what players can arrive - “World class” wingers etc go to those massive clubs - Villa have sold and bought well - but it doesn’t need some huge quality additions to take the team up to that level to challenge for titles

 

[Bdill93]

It will depend on what players can arrive - “World class” wingers etc go to those massive clubs - Villa have sold and bought well - but it doesn’t need some huge quality additions to take the team up to that level to challenge for titles

They do, but Salah wasn't world class when you signed him, he grew into that role and stepped up.

Same with many others!

What we need to do is stay in and around the top 6 year after year, we will get players interested in coming.

We may already have this player too - very excited about Rogers, he's just different gravy at present.