Arthur Wedge
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No rule breaking is ok , it wasn’t ok to log into someone’s else’s scouting system and no one has said it was ok.
And yes time will tell and the outcome will have a dramatic effect on the sport which ever way it goes
And yes time will tell and the outcome will have a dramatic effect on the sport which ever way it goes
Tashyboy
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Is it me or is it very quiet on here tonight. Am nigh on certain that if the decision had gone 100% the premier leagues way, this forum would of crashed tonight.
Arthur Wedge
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What is it you think has happened or changed with the ruling ?
The rules will still be in place , they will just need to clarify them
Clubs still can’t overinflate sponsorship to themselves
It won’t change very little when it comes to PSR and certainly has very little to do with the 100 plus charges
PaulMdj
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Did you read the articles you linked?When they were caught and had to pay compensation for you mean
So you will be ok with any club being punished for any wrong doings yes ?
FA take no action against Liverpool for alleged Man City hack
The English Football Association (FA) has closed an investigation into allegations that employees of Liverpool hacked into Manchester City's scouting system.www.besoccer.com
Liverpool And Man City ‘Scout Hack Settlement’ Epitomizes A Modern Soccer Rivalry
Liverpool reportedly paid Manchester City £1m for allegedly hacking the latter's scouting system. The incident adds a new twist to the two clubs' rivalry and highlights the importance of technology - and security - in modern soccer.www.forbes.com
“City’s suspicions were reported at the time, with Scout7 stating that its platform had not been compromised and that the incident occurred through the use of legitimate login credentials”
“Reports last year stated that the case between the two clubs had been settled for a £1 million ($1.3 million) compensation payment by Liverpool, but that they never accepted any liability or wrongdoing.”
You weren’t punished! Just like the VVD case you paid off the other Club to stop the FA taking any action.
PJ87
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First it was zouma with his cat now this.
HomerJSimpson
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Arthur Wedge
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is it now impossible to talk about issues within the league and opposition teams without it resorting to whataboutary
The Man City case is the biggest incident that’s occured within the league and sport for as long as most of us can remember
There has been potentially systematic cheating that has potentially affected multiple teams across a number of divisions also spreading into Europe
The whole thing has the potential to destroy football even more so
Anytime someone dares to talk about it - there is attempts to justify either by stating the rules are wrong or whataboutary in regards something another club has done
Did Liverpool have scouts that logged into a scouting system 10 years ago - apparently , was it right , no one has suggested it was
Just like it wasn’t right that Liverpool had an illegal approach to VVD.
No one is saying either action is right
But it doesn’t mean it needs to be used as some sort of whataboutary to counter other clubs that have broken or potentially broken the rules
It’s nothing but faux tribalism
AmandaJR
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It's actually not whataboutery (pot, kettle, black) rather than those taking a moral high ground when that's hyprocritical. People in glasshouses and all that.
HomerJSimpson
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So all the stuff about EtH from a rival fan isn't faux tribalism? 
PaulMdj
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Nothing to do with whataboutery or tribalism.
It’s about being honest! You’re claiming it’s about morals whilst your Club (like many others, including mine) have none.
You go on about Oil money and State owned Clubs while your own Club takes Oil money and cash from the Chinese Government.
Your points would hold more credibility if you weren’t trying to be whiter than white.
Arthur Wedge
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Cash from Chinese government ?
Which deals is it that we take that break the rules
Don’t recall the club being owned by a state ?
And not also recall claiming the club have been “whiter than white”
But remind me the charges the club currently face
It’s nothing but whataboutary, deflection and tribalism
The points are facts - a club has been charged 115 times
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Arthur Wedge
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When has any other club ever faced the same level of charges that Man City have - never ,
No club has ever faced that level of charges before in the history of the sport
There isn’t a single club that gets near that
There is no “hypocrisy” or moral high ground - its looking at the Man City case in isolation
PaulMdj
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Your main Sponsor in the Far East is MG China, a deal worth millions every year, a State owned Company. China that Country with the terrible human rights record.Cash from Chinese government ?
Which deals is it that we take that break the rules
Don’t recall the club being owned by a state ?
And not also recall claiming the club have been “whiter than white”
But remind me the charges the club currently face
Man City are currently charged with breaking the rules, haven’t been found guilty.
All PL Clubs get money from the Middle East, so once again, a little bit of dirty money is OK, just not a lot.
And the post I put up last night, look at the statement the Club put out when paying City “hush money” “never accepted liabilty or wrong doing”
If City are found guilty then rightly so they will be punished, but please lets not use the morals card when it’s been proven your Club has acted inappropriately at times, and been charged, found guilty and punished.
PaulMdj
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The bit in bold:
There is if they are found Not Guilty of all charges.
If that happens you’ll be served a huge slice of humble pie.
If they lose? It’s open season on Man City.
Maybe best to keep your powder dry than to have them guilty.
Just checking, at this point City are only facing charges. Not actually found guilty.
The number of charges are irrelevant if they are cleared of all of them.
The number of charges are irrelevant if they are cleared of all of them.
Arthur Wedge
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Do you mean MG Motors ?
The same MG that sell cars in the UK
And yes clubs get sponsership from the Middle East
I would rather they didn’t but that the sport
But it’s a heck of a jump from sponsership within the rules which all clubs have to a club potentially financially cheating
And City have already been found guilty once
Arthur Wedge
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The bit in bold:
There is if they are found Not Guilty of all charges.
If that happens you’ll be served a huge slice of humble pie.
If they lose? It’s open season on Man City.
Maybe best to keep your powder dry than to have them guilty.
Which is why the phrase was “potentially”
And also worth remembering that City have been found guilty once before
The loophole that allowed them avoid punishment doesn’t exist with the PL charges
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Hush money should be banned imo.
If a club is charged with a breach the FA / PL should prove it then punish them accordingly .
Hush money just lets clubs break rules and buy their way out of it.
I know money talks but any proven breach should be treated like Everton and Forest were.
And yes that includes Liverpool!
If a club is charged with a breach the FA / PL should prove it then punish them accordingly .
Hush money just lets clubs break rules and buy their way out of it.
I know money talks but any proven breach should be treated like Everton and Forest were.
And yes that includes Liverpool!
PaulMdj
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They are still owned by the Chinese Government, regardless of were they sell cars.
You can’t talk about morals while your Club is shown as having none.
You either have principles or you don’t! Saying if it’s in the rules it’s ok is just daft! You’re saying you don’t mind China abusing human rights whilst they give you money within the rules.
Arthur Wedge
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They are still owned by the Chinese Government, regardless of were they sell cars.
You can’t talk about morals while your Club is shown as having none.
You either have principles or you don’t! Saying if it’s in the rules it’s ok is just daft! You’re saying you don’t mind China abusing human rights whilst they give you money within the rules.
When did I say that
