The Footie Thread

[Bdill93]

More incentive to win quickly? You could have it done and dusted in under 3 hours with a 6 & 5 win.

Why not sooner? 10 & 8 bosh job done

 

[sunshine]

With that news, does Gareth go with his first choice side, mix it up a bit, or do a Spain and chuck in the reserves? With what I've seen the last two games, not sure it makes a difference!

Finish top of the group and avoid Germany sounds the right choice.

He won’t ever change from the norm

In 2018 we had secured qualification after 2 matches. Southgate made EIGHT changes for the final group game.

Southgate has shown himself to be flexible and adapted systems and personnel during a tournament. In the last Euros and world cup we played 4-3-3 as well as 4-2-3-1. He's played a back 4 and a back 3 at times, switching between the 2 depending on the opponents.

I agree with Piece - finish top and we go into the "easier" bottom half of the draw.

Arthur Wedge, maybe you need to rekindle some love for Rafa Benitez and try remembering some "facts".

 

[Arthur Wedge]

In 2018 we had secured qualification after 2 matches. Southgate made EIGHT changes for the final group game.

Southgate has shown himself to be flexible and adapted systems and personnel during a tournament. In the last Euros and world cup we played 4-3-3 as well as 4-2-3-1. He's played a back 4 and a back 3 at times, switching between the 2 depending on the opponents.

I agree with Piece - finish top and we go into the "easier" bottom half of the draw.

Arthur Wedge, maybe you need to rekindle some love for Rafa Benitez and try remembering some "facts".

So you don’t think Southgate has his normal that no matter what happens will get picked - players that are undroppable regardless of performance

Systems etc may change but his mindset is still the same - defensive , do not lose mindset , shackling the players

 

[Orikoru]

England team to face Slovenia: BBC pundits pick their sides

Who should start for England against Slovenia? BBC pundits pick their Three Lions XIs for the final Group C game.

www.bbc.co.uk

England XI for Euro 2024

Select your England XI for their Euro 2024 game against Slovenia

team-picker.files.bbci.co.uk

Don't need to create mine because it's exactly what the majority said on that BBC page:



This has to be the best line-up. Shame we're not going to see it.

On the bright side, at least Danny Murphy isn't the England manager. Sheesh.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Don't need to create mine because it's exactly what the majority said on that BBC page:

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This has to be the best line-up. Shame we're not going to see it.

On the bright side, at least Danny Murphy isn't the England manager. Sheesh.

Issue for me is the left side - Trippier has no intentions of using his left , going on the outside with his left etc

If Shaw isn’t fit then go for Gomez who did a great job filling in for Robertson for us

 

[Orikoru]

Issue for me is the left side - Trippier has no intentions of using his left , going on the outside with his left etc

If Shaw isn’t fit then go for Gomez who did a great job filling in for Robertson for us

Given that Shaw isn't fit (was no point in taking him was there?) then we have no left-footed options, and I don't think Gomez is a better player than Trippier, hence I wouldn't swap them. I would say that change makes us more defensive if anything, which is not really what we want for tonight.

 

[PaulMdj]

Don't need to create mine because it's exactly what the majority said on that BBC page:

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This has to be the best line-up. Shame we're not going to see it.

On the bright side, at least Danny Murphy isn't the England manager. Sheesh.

Still think Southgate prefers Eze over Gordon, could of given Gordon a try in either of the previous games late on, but twice put Eze on.
All I can think is that he sees Eze do more defensively.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Given that Shaw isn't fit (was no point in taking him was there?) then we have no left-footed options, and I don't think Gomez is a better player than Trippier, hence I wouldn't swap them. I would say that change makes us more defensive if anything, which is not really what we want for tonight.

Gomez this season for me showed he is a better option for left back and he surprised many with the way he went forward this season - someone needs to provide the width - Trippier or Foden don’t

 

[Arthur Wedge]

 

[Orikoru]

Gomez this season for me showed he is a better option for left back and he surprised many with the way he went forward this season - someone needs to provide the width - Trippier or Foden don’t

I think putting Gordon in would do the job. He likes to get out wide whereas Foden doesn't.

Excuse my crude drawing as I go all Champ Manager on it, but I see it working like this:




So on the attack* it would look like this - Walker and Gordon giving width.



*attack, haha, chance would be a fine thing.

 

[ColchesterFC]

He won’t ever change from the norm

Only change will be Gallagher in for TAA

That's a bit like changing your tie because you've crapped your pants.

Completely pointless change that doesn't address the issues with the set up.

 

[clubchamp98]

Presumably the ref didn't think it was a penalty, as this was the decision made on the pitch. But, I think there are many many decisions that a referee will never be 100% on, after making a judgement in the heat of the moment from their own viewpoint. I think the game becomes very messy if the onfield referee can then decide to have a second look by electing themselves to go to the monitor. I think the outcome would be that they would need to go and review every single penalty or red card claim, no matter how ridiculous, because there will always be the chance the referee's view made an incident look very different to what actually happened. So, the moment they stick to their onfield decision by not reviewing, and the cameras show they were actually wrong, they'll be crucified for arrogantly refusing to look at the monitor.

Which is why VAR needs to look at it independently, and only get the ref to take a second look if it appears they got the decision wrong. Not alert the referee every time is is subjective. Because, in the Scotland case, if VAR alerted the ref to take a second look (even though they think it is subjective themselves), he might have changed his mind, at which point it angers everyone who thinks it isn't a penalty and accusing VAR of re-refereeing the game. Or, he sticks to his original opinion, and it angers everyone who thinks it was a penalty, or frustrates everyone who think VAR slows the game down.

I felt that it should have been a penalty, as it is acceptable for a player to try and get their body between the ball and the opponent. But, I also see the counter argument. So, if ref didn't give it I'm happy VAR didn't get involved, and if ref did give it, would also want VAR to not get involved. Thus, it stays as onfield decision regardless

I just think if the ref makes the decision as he’s in charge,
VAR should just advise him to have a look

That’s what’s gone wrong imo, refs don’t make decisions or the Lino they wait until the ball goes out then ask VAR
How much times wasted there.

The Atwell Taylor one the other night was embarrassing Taylor had time to watch an episode of Corrie never mind a replay of the incident.

So as I said we disagree that’s why the ref should make the decision.!

 

[clubchamp98]

Looking forward to tonight:

What I’m hoping is Southgate sticks by the same XI, we win 4-0, everybody gets carried away and the “it’s coming home” shouts start again…until we revert to type in the knockouts, but win Euro’s. Southgate retires on a high.

What I expect:

A 2-0 win with glimpses of good football, get through to the knockout phase, reach semi-final, hopes dashed again. Southgate sacked.

Either way, the bit in bold is a win.

He will still get his knighthood though.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think putting Gordon in would do the job. He likes to get out wide whereas Foden doesn't.

Excuse my crude drawing as I go all Champ Manager on it, but I see it working like this:

View attachment 53938


So on the attack* it would look like this - Walker and Gordon giving width.

View attachment 53939

*attack, haha, chance would be a fine thing.

Surely Kane would be between Trippier and Bellingham

 

[Swango1980]

I just think if the ref makes the decision as he’s in charge,
VAR should just advise him to have a look

That’s what’s gone wrong imo, refs don’t make decisions or the Lino they wait until the ball goes out then ask VAR
How much times wasted there.

The Atwell Taylor one the other night was embarrassing Taylor had time to watch an episode of Corrie never mind a replay of the incident.

So as I said we disagree that’s why the ref should make the decision.!

Again, I think I already explained the problem with your logic.

Firstly, the ref DID make a decision. It was the decision they made on the pitch. There is no evidence to suggest the referee decided to make no decision, wait for the ball to go out, and think "I'll let VAR make this call". If that were the case, this referee would never ever make a penalty decision on field, it would become obvious they were just leaving it up to VAR every time, and then they'd get sacked as that certainly isn't meant to be protocol.

Secondly, if VAR were not convinced it was a penalty, at what level of subjectivity should they just get the referee to take a second look anyway? Should the VAR say to themselves "well, I don't think it was a penalty either, so the referee probably got that right. But, we'll just get him to delay the game further, so he can come and have a second look (after we've already spent time looking ourselves).

We'd get to the point were referees could be called to the monitor many times during a game, just to look over many big calls, even if they got most of them right the first time (in the views of most people)

 

[clubchamp98]

Again, I think I already explained the problem with your logic.

Firstly, the ref DID make a decision. It was the decision they made on the pitch. There is no evidence to suggest the referee decided to make no decision, wait for the ball to go out, and think "I'll let VAR make this call". If that were the case, this referee would never ever make a penalty decision on field, it would become obvious they were just leaving it up to VAR every time, and then they'd get sacked as that certainly isn't meant to be protocol.

Secondly, if VAR were not convinced it was a penalty, at what level of subjectivity should they just get the referee to take a second look anyway? Should the VAR say to themselves "well, I don't think it was a penalty either, so the referee probably got that right. But, we'll just get him to delay the game further, so he can come and have a second look (after we've already spent time looking ourselves).

We'd get to the point were referees could be called to the monitor many times during a game, just to look over many big calls, even if they got most of them right the first time (in the views of most people)

We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Swango1980]

We will just have to agree to disagree.

To clarify your stance

Do you simply think the referee should go to the monitor for every penalty and red card incident, to clarify if their onfield decision was correct or not?

 

[clubchamp98]

To clarify your stance

Do you simply think the referee should go to the monitor for every penalty and red card incident, to clarify if their onfield decision was correct or not?

Not every one.
But when VAR is taking 4 mins to look at a subjective one why not just have a look himself while he’s waiting.

 

[Swango1980]

Not every one.
But when VAR is taking 4 mins to look at a subjective one why not just have a look himself while he’s waiting.

Interesting.

Most people curse VAR when it takes so long to check a decision, saying things like "if it takes that long, it is not clear and obvious, just stick with onfield"

Whereas you seem to take opposite stance. If it takes so long, the referee should just add more time to get himself involved, because VAR clearly have been unable to say either way after such an amount of time.

I genuinely feel that is a sure fire way to make VAR significantly worse than it already is.

 

[harpo_72]

I am not sure I would put kane and Saka on until 65minutes are played .. I would use Watkins/Toney and Palmer .. these 5 subs really allow you to run hard.
As for the midfield give the Newcastle lad a run out instead of Rice to protect the back and Gomez in for Trippier..
Then leave the rest as is .. see how they go and see if it’s quicker more spontaneous..