The Footie Thread

[samthom99]

I hope Arteta can make a plan over the season to topple city, we've been almost perfect this year

 

[Pin-seeker]

Guess it shows the manner of the man when the talk is about Klopp as opposed to who won the title - even City fans talking about him

Seen a few tweets that say 61% of Sky Sports viewers watched Klopp leaving as opposed to 21% watched City lift the trophy

Some will always point to 1 title etc etc

But as said early- his legacy will be in the journey and the comparison between the team he took over to one he leaves is night at day

He took over a team mid table , built it up over a few years ( what most teams without oil money needs to do ) then was successful with that team. It then goes through a transition and it’s rebuilding again now

There is far too many now just looking or expecting instant success when it’s rare without unlimited money

5 managers with best win percentage in the Premier League | All Football

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Stats show him amongst the best the premier league has seen

1 title tho Phil

 

[BrianM]

Against a City side that’s been spending, and cheating, for 14 years. I think he and Liverpool have done remarkably well.

And think on the players City have brought in that have also ended up as no better than squad players.

Cheating…..
At the moment, guilty of nothing, and that has to be taken into consideration.
It’s easy to say you’ve spent millions etc, but you’ve still got to get the job done.
On Liverpool, I thought Mane was a massive loss and they never fully recovered from losing him.

 

[Hobbit]

He only challenged City for that period of 3 seasons.

It is a myth that Liverpool have been toe to toe with City since Klopp's arrival. It has been Arsenal that have challenged City the last 2 seasons.

Think you’re being a bit harsh there. 5th last season but no worse than 4th for at least 6-7 seasons.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Against a City side that’s been spending, and cheating, for 14 years. I think he and Liverpool have done remarkably well.

And think on the players City have brought in that have also ended up as no better than squad players.

Think you need to be careful about accusations there.

 

[PaulMdj]

Have a day off lads

A total of 6 posts between me and @Swango1980 before you posted this earlier this month.

You’ve posted 15 times about Klopp just since this afternoon!

How about you practise what you preach.

 

[Swango1980]

Think you’re being a bit harsh there. 5th last season but no worse than 4th for at least 6-7 seasons.

Is finishing 4th defined as going toe to toe with Man City.

Since arriving, Liverpool have finished:

8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 3rd

So, I can't argue they played at a very high level when they finished 2, 1, 2. But, outside those 3 seasons, I wouldn't call them spectacular, that's for sure

 

[Hobbit]

Cheating…..
At the moment, guilty of nothing, and that has to be taken into consideration.
It’s easy to say you’ve spent millions etc, but you’ve still got to get the job done.
On Liverpool, I thought Mane was a massive loss and they never fully recovered from losing him.

I think Wijnaldum was also a massive loss, not replaced. A constant in the side and a solid performer

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I think Wijnaldum was also a massive loss, not replaced. A constant in the side and a solid performer

More so than people think.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Is finishing 4th defined as going toe to toe with Man City.

Since arriving, Liverpool have finished:

8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 3rd

So, I can't argue they played at a very high level when they finished 2, 1, 2. But, outside those 3 seasons, I wouldn't call them spectacular, that's for sure

Spot on.
Pep v Klopp rivalry is a myth.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Is finishing 4th defined as going toe to toe with Man City.

Since arriving, Liverpool have finished:

8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 3rd

So, I can't argue they played at a very high level when they finished 2, 1, 2. But, outside those 3 seasons, I wouldn't call them spectacular, that's for sure

And never forget that their one title has an asterisk against it as it was the Covid season.

 

[samthom99]

Come 2nd twice.
So not like City have stopped them every season.
Wenger,Jose,Ferguson all come up against tough opposition

This City side is 5x better than Wenger,Jose and Sir Alex ever faced.

Who is your team @Pin-seeker
?

 

[Bdill93]

I’ve had a class day with the villa boys today at Palace

Was an absolute party, proper way to celebrate an amazing season, so proud of my team!

8 years ago we were in the championship driving to Rotherham and Norwich, now it’s champions league.

UP THE VILLAAAAAAA

 

[samthom99]

Spot on.
Pep v Klopp rivalry is a myth.

Who actually creates this rivalry?

Arteta is next

 

[Pin-seeker]

This City side is 5x better than Wenger,Jose and Sir Alex ever faced.

Who is your team @Pin-seeker
?

it really isn’t.
Why haven’t they dominated in Europe?

 

[samthom99]

it really isn’t.
Why haven’t they dominated in Europe?

When did Wenger, Ferguson and Jose dominate Europe?

 

[Tashyboy]

Re City and Europe.Its a strange one. we have come close so many times and won it just the once. Bit like Klopp and the premier league. If that’s the comparison, I certainly wouldn’t say we have dominated Europe. Yup we have had one excellent season which culminated in being world champs. But Real Madrid have been the main team in that time. Managing to grind out results against all odds. Even against us.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Is finishing 4th defined as going toe to toe with Man City.

Since arriving, Liverpool have finished:

8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 5th, 3rd

So, I can't argue they played at a very high level when they finished 2, 1, 2. But, outside those 3 seasons, I wouldn't call them spectacular, that's for sure

 

[samthom99]

Just heard Pep's interview with Linekar, he metions Feguson and Klopp 1st, maybe the pep v Klopp isnt a myth afterall.

 

[samthom99]

Re City and Europe.Its a strange one. we have come close so many times and won it just the once. Bit like Klopp and the premier league. If that’s the comparison, I certainly wouldn’t say we have dominated Europe. Yup we have had one excellent season which culminated in being world champs. But Real Madrid have been the main team in that time. Managing to grind out results against all odds. Even against us.

European football is a diffrent beast. We've had 1 final under Wenger in nearly 20yrs, does that diminish his acheievements as Arsenal manager?
Ferguson went to 3 finals in nearly 25yrs and won 2. Klopp has been to 4 and won 1?