Beezerk
Money List Winner
What job is that? Be a selfish, greedy, wasteful player who doesn’t track back and put a proper shift in for the team
What job is that? Be a selfish, greedy, wasteful player who doesn’t track back and put a proper shift in for the team
Tashyboy
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That just about sums it up. But you missed the bit where he is sat on the floor with his arms out in disgust with his own players.What job is that? Be a selfish, greedy, wasteful player who doesn’t track back and put a proper shift in for the team
To be fair though, Bri, with injuries/illness sidelining Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, Martinez, Mount, Hojlund, Martial, Casemiro and one or two others, the bench is going to look weak.
That’s eight players alone who would either be playing or part of every match day squad. Bring them back and, on paper at least, the bench looks entirely different in terms of quality.
EDIT: I was beginning to tire somewhat at hearing Ten Hag drone on about his injury crisis but, having re-read the list above, I do have a degree of sympathy with him. It does seem that, every week, he has a list of absentees running to at least half a dozen players who would probably play some part, either as starters or squad players. When everything seems to be going against you, a long injury list can’t help.
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Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Aaaaaand it’s business as usual from the Match of the Day “pundits” when it comes to analysing the Forest game.
Forest dominated United for most of the game. United couldn’t handle Elanga, our midfield outplayed theirs, we created and took our chances. Aside from our keeper gifting them a goal, our defence quelled every attacking threat and made Gezpacho and Rashford look ordinary.
How did the MOTD pundits analyse the game though? They went straight to talking about Manyoo and where they were lacking. They analysed the goals from their point of view and discussed what’s going wrong for them. Not a single positive thing to say about Forest’s performance, not a single word of praise for any of their players. All Manyoo.
Hang on, we got a “fair play to Forest” at the end though, so we should be grateful for that.
Big Six Bias yet again from the media. How anyone can possibly argue that it doesn’t exist, I have no idea. Blinkers I suppose.
Forest dominated United for most of the game. United couldn’t handle Elanga, our midfield outplayed theirs, we created and took our chances. Aside from our keeper gifting them a goal, our defence quelled every attacking threat and made Gezpacho and Rashford look ordinary.
How did the MOTD pundits analyse the game though? They went straight to talking about Manyoo and where they were lacking. They analysed the goals from their point of view and discussed what’s going wrong for them. Not a single positive thing to say about Forest’s performance, not a single word of praise for any of their players. All Manyoo.
Hang on, we got a “fair play to Forest” at the end though, so we should be grateful for that.
Big Six Bias yet again from the media. How anyone can possibly argue that it doesn’t exist, I have no idea. Blinkers I suppose.
Tashyboy
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The thing is though it’s not a big six thing. The week before Linekar could hardly mention “ well done to Man City for being world club champions “. It seemed it was said as an after thought.
The discussion last night about Man Utd being rammel I get. But at the same time Forest should have been analysed on how Nuno has transformed them.
Dion Dublin saying “Man Utd will Get it right as they have the players”. He is deluded. One of the worst analysts there is.
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Is it something to do with his training set up?
Plus when he listed maigure I had to laugh .. sorry he wanted him out the club! Ripped the captaincy off him
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
MOTD is a programme about that weekend’s PL football. Why should they spend any time talking about the world club championship?
It is a Big Six thing mate and you’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Happens every single time on Forest games and to other “smaller” teams. Big Six bias is alive and well in all its forms across all forms of media.
But the absolute key to Forest’s victory yesterday was the complete absence of cover in front of United’s back four, and how Dominguez and Gibbs-White in particular exploited it. How do you expect pundits to analyse the game without discussing the central feature in Forest’s victory?
The pundits have about 90 seconds to analyse each game. They surely have to focus on the key issues. I’ve literally just watched it and what I saw was Martin Keown illustrate United’s key failing, and how Forest exploited it time and again.
I know you would prefer it he’d simply said Forest did this well, Forest were great at that and so on, but if he had done that he wouldn’t have been doing his job. If you really think that United did not in some way contribute towards Forest’s win, which was fully deserved by the way, then you might also want to take the blinkers off.
SteveW86
Head Pro
They were scraping the barrel with those doing the analysis last night though.
Swango1980
Well-known member
In fairness, Forest were hardly outstanding. Even their xG was slightly lower. Their goals were scored on EA Sports FIFA "cheat mode", which always works against Utd, where you just have a player run down the wing, then play an easy pass along the ground towards edge of box, and you've a team mate running onto it with a free shot.
Works every time when you have a player like McTomminay as a holding midfielder. He is absolutely abysmal. I'd have rather seen him come on as a No. 9 for Rashford, Rashford being one of the all time worst No. 9's in Premier League history (OK, don't remember most of them, but he really is awful). Yes, he scored, but the hard work was done by Garnacho and Rashford barely had time to make a bad decision in that move. The rest of the game, he was horrific and McTomminay couldn't have been worse.
Man Utd carry far too many passengers. In possession they either hide or make reactive runs instead of being pro active and anticipating where to run. Same defensively, always on the back foot, reacting to the opponents. Maybe a handful of them are good enough to play at high level, but when so much of the team aren't, everyone ends up looking terrible.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
I expect them to come at it from the victorious team’s point of view and concentrate mainly on them. Just like you told me it should be when we had this same conversation earlier in the season.
I agree Manyoo were weak in midfield. But does that really mean the ENTIRE analysis, should be ALL about them?! Rhetorical question really. I’m sure you’ll come up with reasons it should.
You’re really just arguing semantics.
Swango has made various points which are very valid. Bottom line here is that Forest had two shots on target all game, and scored both. Both of those opportunities came about because they exploited, very capably I might add, the space they were gifted in front of United’s back four. It’s not as though they played dazzling, swashbuckling football for ninety minutes and carved United open time and time again.
So, despite Keown and Dublin being to football punditry what my 86 year old mother is to developing the future of smartphone technology, they were nevertheless pretty fair in their assessment of the game. United were shockingly bad in protecting their back four, and Forest exploited it to the max.
I’m really not sure how else you can describe it.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Look at the comments in here when Man Utd lose, there are loads. Many from non Man Utd fans. Look at all media coverage. Look at Talksport, it is plastered with coverage of various people slagging off how bad Man Utd are. And given the amount of money they've spent over the years, it is mostly fair criticism.
So, there are clear signs that when Man Utd lose, many people want to talk about it. Man Utd fans want to bash their team as it has become so tiresome, and non fans want to rejoice in their inept performances.
So MOTD are giving the majority of fans what they want. Unfortunate for the very very small percentage of fans from the smaller club who might want to hear how amazing their team was on the day (although, as I said, that would be a misreprentation to the match, Forest were not outstanding).
It is probably not much different to analysis after Chelsea lose, or if Liverpool go on a bad run.
Swango1980
Well-known member
And just another point, although media will obviously focus on negatives of biggest clubs, don't fool yourself into thinking it is just a "Big 6" thing, pure Man U bias or something against Forest.
If you watch the analysis of the Wolves Everton game, the entire analysis was criticising Everton. At the very end, Lineker simply said "Wolves are playing well aren't they...we're about out of time, Happy New Year"
chrisd
Major Champion
It's not as you think - it's just that us non Manure fans just love to see them lose, brightens up our day
It's not as you think - it's just that us non Manure fans just love to see them lose, brightens up our day
It’s giving me a fair bit of entertainment as well. Now I’m genuinely middle aged, I’m enjoying the opportunity to be grumpy for ninety minutes every weekend.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Nail..headIt's not as you think - it's just that us non Manure fans just love to see them lose, brightens up our day
chrisd
Major Champion
It'd be even more fun if you were a Palace fan like me at 71, I can do "grumpy" for the entire weekend
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Well, it’s clear it’s gonna be very hard for any smaller clubs to get a positive word or two from the pundits against The Big Six.
It’s obviously not enough to simply beat what’s put in front of you. Because apparently the MAJORITY of ALL football fans want to hear and talk about the Big Six.
Seriously fellas, the arrogance is breathtaking. But it’s nothing new, it’s just confirmation of what’s already apparent. I’ll leave it there.
It’s obviously not enough to simply beat what’s put in front of you. Because apparently the MAJORITY of ALL football fans want to hear and talk about the Big Six.
Seriously fellas, the arrogance is breathtaking. But it’s nothing new, it’s just confirmation of what’s already apparent. I’ll leave it there.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I get where youre coming from, but not being a fan of either team and having watched the program, I would say that yes they talked more about the Utd bad points, but those bad points allowed you to exploit them to your full advantage. I wouldn't say Forest were astounding, or even pressing real hard, but you exploited Utd fully and they said that. Watching Utd play right now is like watching 6 yr olds in a playground, and aside from your keeper for 5 minutes, fully exploited it.Well, it’s clear it’s gonna be very hard for any smaller clubs to get a positive word or two from the pundits against The Big Six.
It’s obviously not enough to simply beat what’s put in front of you. Because apparently the MAJORITY of ALL football fans want to hear and talk about the Big Six.
Seriously fellas, the arrogance is breathtaking. But it’s nothing new, it’s just confirmation of what’s already apparent. I’ll leave it there.
Sometimes, being the "grey man" can work in your favour
