I suspect the officials simply got the offside wrong, as the lines on the pitch suggested it was offside. Even Carragher as shocked, and it was his team benefitted. The 5cm tolerance seemed to be an excuse they used at the time to get themselves out of jail.
For me, premier league football is a mess. The tactics are boring, and I’m sure a statistical analysis would show “playing out” from the back creates more problems than opportunities, AND the VAR….well!
I’m all for using technology and tweaking rules in football but it has to make the experience and the game better.
this is exactly my thoughts.
There are times when you can not see if there is daylight, how many cameras would you need for this? Even if you had this method, there would still be times when a player would be offside by 1cm. The offside decisions against Forest were factually correct, VAR did nothing wrong. They were tight but it is still a black and white situation. Tough on them but correct
I agree. If you had a poll of football fans of what instances over the years, there was an injustice that still rankles. The only ones on that poll would be ‘The ball was or wasn’t over the line’ and ‘The deliberate handballs into the goal scenarios. All other instances over the years of your teams seemingly unfairness have just been treated has it could or couldn’t have gone our way.
Not going to be popular, but I think VAR does work, it’s the problem with time and what VAR can and can’t interfere with is the issue for me.
We had the daylight discussion a week or two ago. For me it changes nothing. It just changes where you draw the line, but the argument still exists about a player being a cm offside or not. It is why I think a good update would be that you always stick with the linesman call, UNLESS they are wrong by 50cm or more. I made up that distance, but a big enough distance that makes it an obvious mistake to all. Hopefully it would rarely need to be implemented, and only needed when the linesman has had a shocker. Thus, most of the time the onfield decsion will stand, and fans can celebrate with more confidence. Just my opinion anyway.
Agree witht that. And, there is a certainty that there would be more errors, given that VAR remedies more errors than it creates. Virtually every offside decision is now correct, which is untrue for having no VAR.
This is exactly what's required. And it baffles me (with the amount of debate VAR causes every.single.week) that the powers that be can't see this. I think they're concerned about making officials on field accountable for their decisions - it's easier to blame a bod in a studio hundreds of miles away and take the flak away from those actually in the ground.
I get that - but also - taking Dan N'Doye's example (as it's the one I bought up) - what advantage has he gained because the back of his heel is 1cm further forward than the Fulham defender's arse? Absolutely none. If VAR was implemented as you noted in the reply above and we didn't have these computer generated images and they were analysing whether he was on or off on MOTD or in the Sky Sports studio - not one person would have looked at the footage and gone "yea, he's clearly offside there" - because for all intents and purposes, he's level with his man - no one would have quibbled (even my Fulham supporting mates have said we were robbed). In those instances, as fans, even if the call was reversed, we accept it was a well timed run and I accept that Forest's piss poor defending has ruined my day for the 1000th time this season.
Agree. The whole point of offside is to stop goal poachers who clearly loiter way up the field, standing next to goalkeeper. Most correct offside calls, there is probably not much advantage in them actually being offside. OK, sometimes defenders play an offside trap, fair enough. Although that is a risky game to play, if it comes down to fine margins. If they play the offside trap so that a striker is a toenail offside, they caught him offside more down to luck than judgement.
What ever tolerance or line or margin you bring in there will always be that tolerance/line/margin + toenail or 1cm that clubs/fans/players will whinge about.
It was not implemented correctly , unless he was more than 5cm offside
Assuming the tech was working correctly, that was the case. It's built into the software so the lines are allowing for that 5cm.
Yes but it’s all this farting around to find that cm.
seemed like the right call
