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The Footie Thread

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Billysboots said:
For years, Tash, I found the attitude of some coaches and their lads to referees in junior football absolutely beyond belief. The players clearly watch MOTD on a Saturday night and, fully supported by their coaches and parents, they mimic that behaviour on a Sunday morning.

It’s long, long overdue that local FA’s dealt with the clubs guilty of these antics.
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My son used to ref kiddy football before he went off to college.
I just used to offer up a little prayer that it wasn't a close match. This was u12s and younger in the mean streets of Herts...
A decent proportion of adults at kids football are poison for both the players and refs. The games are ultimately just fun and exercise. None of the kids will ever play for a living. It's tragic really.
 
Billysboots said:
For years, Tash, I found the attitude of some coaches and their lads to referees in junior football absolutely beyond belief. The players clearly watch MOTD on a Saturday night and, fully supported by their coaches and parents, they mimic that behaviour on a Sunday morning.

It’s long, long overdue that local FA’s dealt with the clubs guilty of these antics.
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Thankfully some county FAs are starting to take behaviour seriously. But not enough of them and not quickly enough.

I have drilled into my team that we don’t cheat and we don’t argue with the ref. I take players off if they do.

But it’s getting harder as we play more and more teams who are coached and encouraged to cheat. The team we played yesterday were praised by their coaches for some pretty cynical fouls as they stopped us attacking. They even clapped at a couple of studs up tackles from behind, with the usual shoot “he got the ball ref”

The ref just let them crack on saying nothing, so the behaviour goes unpunished they think it’s acceptable.

We’re talking about mid ability 13 year olds with a coach screaming and shouting like it’s the champions league final. Behaviour throughout football is a disgrace from the top to the bottom, managers, players and supporters.
 
pendodave said:
My son used to ref kiddy football before he went off to college.
I just used to offer up a little prayer that it wasn't a close match. This was u12s and younger in the mean streets of Herts...
A decent proportion of adults at kids football are poison for both the players and refs. The games are ultimately just fun and exercise. None of the kids will ever play for a living. It's tragic really.
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Tragic it is.
 
pendodave said:
My son used to ref kiddy football before he went off to college.
I just used to offer up a little prayer that it wasn't a close match. This was u12s and younger in the mean streets of Herts...
A decent proportion of adults at kids football are poison for both the players and refs. The games are ultimately just fun and exercise. None of the kids will ever play for a living. It's tragic really.
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Totally agree, it’s really very sad. The parents can be vicious on the touchline, of that there’s no doubt.

I reported a coach a few years ago who was openly ridiculing our players for their physical appearance, any mistakes they made and so on, and encouraging his lads to do the same. I went and asked him to tone it down, suggesting there was nothing clever in ridiculing 13 year olds, and got a gob full for my efforts. So I reported him to the local FA, as did our coach and a number of other parents.

It transpired that he and his club had previously been reported for racially abusing lads from another local team. Despite that, and our reports, the local FA did nothing. So much for the Respect and Kick It Out campaigns.

Even more tragically, when that club eventually disbanded, which they did a couple of years later, our club secretary recruited the coach to take over the year group my lad and his mates were playing in at our local town club. The coach brought most of his players with him. My lad, and the majority of his mates, packed up playing football there and then, and most haven’t played since.
 
Don Barzini said:
Get what you’re saying about fans only getting angry when decisions go against their team. But the biggest issues that cause anger to fans comes from around consistency, or lack of it. Agree it’s never gonna be possible to be totally consistent across many games involving many teams and many referees. But when you get inconsistency from the same ref in the same game, there is grounds to question it.

Both penalties in the Forest game were soft. Both were very similar. Yet one (for Brighton) was given by the ref and confirmed with a VAR check. The other one wasn’t, the game played on for a couple of mins and then the game was stopped, you had the usual wait for a long check and then the onfield chaos ensued.

Either give both or give neither. Expecting a PL ref to be of that minimum standard isn’t too much (in my opinion)
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Just came on here to write pretty much exactly the same response. Be better and consistent in the way the game is officiated and you’ll earn respect. That’s all most (if not all) fans want.

Both penalties were carbon copies (and soft, I agree); One given immediately, one not even checked until a stop in play. From our “number 1” referee.

He wasn’t the reason Forest lost or Brighton won but he lost complete control of the game and didn’t look fit to officiate a premier league fixture.
 
Norrin Radd said:
The BBC aren't going to make anything of the refs decision, they are too scared to cause any sort of controversy. The ref was as Dunk said , absolutely bloody useless. No wonder RDZ said that 80 percent of refs are not fit to lace a pair of boots let alone be in charge of a multi million pound league game
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Not sure I agree with that, given that they often centre most of their analysis on controversial decisions. Pundits probably cannot wait for dodgy decisions, as it is the perfect chance to sink their teeth into it and sensationalise a bit. Feed on the emotions of the fans
 
Aztecs27 said:
Just came on here to write pretty much exactly the same response. Be better and consistent in the way the game is officiated and you’ll earn respect. That’s all most (if not all) fans want.

Both penalties were carbon copies (and soft, I agree); One given immediately, one not even checked until a stop in play. From our “number 1” referee.

He wasn’t the reason Forest lost or Brighton won but he lost complete control of the game and didn’t look fit to officiate a premier league fixture.
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Given that both penalties were soft, subjective decisions can even feel subjective for same person. He may have just been borderline for the first one, and edged on side of giving it. Second one, borderline again but edged on side it was OK. Also, from his angle they may have been very different. First one was after set piece I think, and he may have been paying extra attention to any sort of wrestling. Second one might have happened so quick and looked OK.

Bit like me driving. Sometimes when waiting to give way, I may drive out into a smallish gap. At next junction I may refuse a gap, even if it was bigger. I've no explanation why I exhibit this inconsistency, I just put it down to human decision making.

BTW. I'm surprised Taylor is England's no. 1 referee. I had it in my head it was Michael Oliver.
 
Good example of challenges that are never given as red, even though the player is blatantly trying to wipe out an opponent. As long as studs don't connect, no red card. Leaves a bitter taste when the player gets injured from the challenge
 
Swango1980 said:
Good example of challenges that are never given as red, even though the player is blatantly trying to wipe out an opponent. As long as studs don't connect, no red card. Leaves a bitter taste when the player gets injured from the challenge
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It's common knowledge that Bentancur has just come back from a long term knee injury, and Cash knew exactly what he was doing there. Disgrace.
 
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