The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

It was Cunha

It’s a very good astute buy - not a heavy goalscorer but will cause a lot of issues for CB’s


And looks like Ref and VAR officials from last night have been “stood down”

https://x.com/dalejohnsonespn/status/1691385223806689280?s=46&t=_4uI6CiVRqge8WqM7F37Iw

Now not sure why the ref but can see the issue with the VAR

If true, I think the referees association is shooting themselves in the foot.

Since the introduction of VAR, there have been a handful of absolute howlers that everyone agrees with (e.g. there was an incident last year they drew a line on the wrong player). Last night's incident was subjective. We have seen it in here, and we saw it with the pundits speaking after the game. If the referees association are willing to stick their neck on the line and suggest it was 100% incorrect, and there is zero subjectivity about it, then good luck for the rest of the season. I can imagine there will be countless incidents where a keeper misses the ball and then collides with an opponent. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in several games this weekend, but only highlighted last night as it involved a big team, at a critical moment and would have been critical to the game.

It'll be interesting to see what the PGMOL say officially though. At the moment the reports seem to be John Moss told O'Neill it was a penalty, Webb contacted Wolves to "apologise" and the officials have been stood down next week (although "not selected" rather than "dropped"). It all seems ridiculously unprofessional from the PGMOL. Are they leaking these little stories to the press, or are Wolves officials leaking private conversations they have had with officials? If it is Wolves leaking private conversations, perhaps officials will need to think twice about talking with members of each team after the game, to avoid them being misquoted?

 

[Junior]

Who was missing from the main starting line up ? Was it just the new lad up top ?

Surprised that Rashford is played through the middle when he is so good from the left

What was the injury to Martinez


In regards Greenwood - I will be amazed if he plays in the Prem again for any team , will prob get sold to a team abroad and it maybe for the best

Mount for Erikesen or Fred and Garnacho starting for Weghorst with Rashford pushed in the centre.

Other than that no difference. Maybe he was injurred but I think he was worried about a 2md yellow for martinez.

I thought mount was ineffective and they need to find a place for him that's not near Bruno Fernández. Bruno went too deep looking for the ball and therefore we were not creative up front.

Interesting times.

 

[Budds]

If true, I think the referees association is shooting themselves in the foot.

I agree. They need to get the communication right, even if it's to say they got their own instructions to VAR, re having to be 'clear and obvious', were wrong. That should still be down to discussion at the video screen.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I agree. They need to get the communication right, even if it's to say they got their own instructions to VAR, re having to be 'clear and obvious', were wrong. That should still be down to discussion at the video screen.

I think the ref was stuffed a bit by VAR. VAR should have asked him to look at the screen. He may have stuck with his original decision but it gave him the chance to look again at an incident he would only have had a split second to view in real time.

Going to the screen at the moment is really a token thing, for the cameras only. They only go across when it is a dead cert, based on only one decision not being altered in the last season and a bit, from memory. Clearly VAR has already told the ref what should happen, the ref then stands at the screen for 20 seconds, pretends to ponder the decision, then turns around and does what VAR tells them to. (I may not have much faith in this process ). Do you think they genuinely have a discussion at the screen?

 

[Hobbit]

If 2 players jump to head the ball, one is going to win the header, the other is not. Inevitably they will collide. It is not a free kick or penalty every time against the player who fails to win the ball.

Onana was simply doing what every keeper is trained to do. To try and win the aerial ball. He was simply beaten to it. Had he went to punch the ball, and actually threw a punch into players face, then I could see a penalty being given due to dangerous play (his action being a bit like a mistimed tackle). But in this case, it was more a collision. Probably like Burnley game I think, where Burnley forward beat keeper to ball and kicked it over him, then keeper wiped him out. No penalty given for that either.

If 2 outfield players go for a ball, one wins it and the other takes him out it’s a foul. I can’t see any difference. The keeper was late.

 

[Beezerk]

If 2 outfield players go for a ball, one wins it and the other takes him out it’s a foul. I can’t see any difference. The keeper was late.

Just seen a clip of the challenge, wow, that’s a foul and a card anywhere else on the pitch. Cleans the striker out and is nowhere near the ball

 

[Swango1980]

If 2 outfield players go for a ball, one wins it and the other takes him out it’s a foul. I can’t see any difference. The keeper was late.

Of course, the player he jumped into also didn't win the ball, it was the guy behind him. So, maybe it should be a foul by Wolves, free kick to Man Utd?

But, that aside, there are plenty of examples where an attacker wins a header, and it blazes just over or wide of the goal. There is a collision with the defender they were competing with just after they win the header, yet never any question it should then be a penalty. As I mentioned earlier, a Brentford player was wiped out by the keeper after they clipped their shot just over him. No penalty. No big deal, as it wasn't a big team and to be fair to Thomas Frank, he was more pragmatic about the incident after the game.

But, as I also said before, I felt it was one of those that could go either way, mainly because I've no idea how officials are asked to interpret certain situations. Whether that be the handball rule or the protection or otherwise of keepers. I've no issue if the officials are now going to penalise a keeper every time they miss a cross and then collide with an opponent, as long as they consistently award a penalty every single time it happens. If they don't, then there will always be arguments as to why one was a penalty while another was not, and as they are then subjective then there will be valid arguments on both sides.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If 2 outfield players go for a ball, one wins it and the other takes him out it’s a foul. I can’t see any difference. The keeper was late.

It really is as cut and dried as that

It’s a foul all day long in the box and a penalty - from the actions of rhe PGMOL since it’s clear they believe an error was made

As i said if Rashford was wiped out like that at Old Trafford it’s a penalty and the fans would say it was 100% correct

 

[Budds]

If 2 outfield players go for a ball, one wins it and the other takes him out it’s a foul. I can’t see any difference. The keeper was late.

In this case, neither (none of them) actually 'won' the ball.The still pics in papers and web sites don't show the sequence well. To me, the decision is whether the GK 'taking out' the player(s), after the ball had gone, was a foul or not. If so - penalty; if not, then Swango's first para applies.

 

[TimShady]

As i said if Rashford was wiped out like that at Old Trafford it’s a penalty and the fans would say it was 100% correct

Please, stop embarrassing yourself by adding these completely unsubstantiated comments after everything. Your inability to discuss football without ridiculous hyperbole shows you up time and time again.

It’s stuff like this why no one takes your opinions on football seriously even when you made good points.

 

[Swango1980]

It really is as cut and dried as that

It’s a foul all day long in the box and a penalty - from the actions of rhe PGMOL since it’s clear they believe an error was made

As i said if Rashford was wiped out like that at Old Trafford it’s a penalty and the fans would say it was 100% correct

You wouldn't

 

[GreiginFife]

Please, stop embarrassing yourself by adding these completely unsubstantiated comments after everything. Your inability to discuss football without ridiculous hyperbole shows you up time and time again.

It’s stuff like this why no one takes your opinions on football seriously even when you made good points.

 

[TimShady]

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Haha touché! But I’m yet to see anyone who does…

 

[GreiginFife]

Haha touché! But I’m yet to see anyone who does…

Haha, I genuinely thought that was deliberate...

 

[TimShady]

Haha, I genuinely thought that was deliberate...

I think I allowed myself some literary exaggeration to make a point which doesn’t negate the consistent misdirections by liverpoolphil. I should have known better though.

 

[GreiginFife]

I think I allowed myself some literary exaggeration to make a point which doesn’t negate the consistent misdirections by liverpoolphil. I should have known better through.

My life's motto!

 

[Bazz]

This is clearly going to be the problem for them though. Who is their goalscorer? I'm looking at their squad and I don't see one.

Been a problem for a while, I'd like to see Fabio Silva (the lad that came on that looks like he should be the lead singer in a band) play in front of Cunha, I think he'd get a hat full.

We created loads yesterday and yeah we missed them all but we never even created chances last year.

We've also had our apology from Howard Webb, add it to the 3 we had last year, one more and we get to keep him I assume.

 

[Tashyboy]

Rumours Salah could be on his way.

 

[Swango1980]

Rumours Salah could be on his way.

Are these just clickbait, fuelled by his sulking after getting substituted at the weekend? Or could they have some substance?

I hope he does go, it might mean that Darwin gets more game time, a player I ultimately had to select for my draft fantasy team. Talking of which, I have both Martinez and Varane for Man Utd in my defensive line up. For this weekends fixtures, guess which one I decided to put in my starting line up, and which one I left on the bench???

 

[Orikoru]

Are these just clickbait, fuelled by his sulking after getting substituted at the weekend? Or could they have some substance?

I hope he does go, it might mean that Darwin gets more game time, a player I ultimately had to select for my draft fantasy team. Talking of which, I have both Martinez and Varane for Man Utd in my defensive line up. For this weekends fixtures, guess which one I decided to put in my starting line up, and which one I left on the bench???

Textbook error selecting two defenders from the same team. Not sure why you would ever do that.

With you on Nunez though. I've gone for him at 7.5 as I was expecting him to push on this season.