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Whar is it about the East Lancs Road that makes the football supporters at both ends so preposterous??

Their clubs always make the correct decisions about everything.
Their staff and players are always the best and finest in every way (until they leave, when they are suddenly not, and may even behave in "disappointing" ways).
All decisions in their favour are correct, and will be argued to death as such, even when it is obvious that they're not.
All decisions against them are incorrect. See above for debating strategy.

Guess what you lunatics, it's possible to support a football club and acknowledge that it's a funny old world, stuff happens, even people wearing red are normal flawed human beings. People in black also.

It's so b****y tiresome.
I feel better now...;-)
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Referees chief couldn't believe penalty not given - O'Neil

Wolves boss Gary O'Neil says elite referees manager Jon Moss told him he "could not believe" his side was not given a late penalty in the 1-0 defeat at Manchester United.
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It should have been a penalty

The only ones saying it shouldn’t are Man Utd fans but there is no doubt if that was the Wolves keeper on Rashford it would have been given and the response would have been different

Teams rarely get penalties there


It doesn’t help when Webb is running the show

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Simon Hooper was the on-field referee who did not punish the incident while Michael Salisbury was the VAR.

In April, Salisbury was stood down for a game after he did not intervene to award Brighton a penalty in a defeat at Tottenham while also acting as the VAR.

Former leading referee Webb spoke before the season began about his desire to drive up standards and reduce high-profile mistakes.”
 
pendodave said:
Whar is it about the East Lancs Road that makes the football supporters at both ends so preposterous??

Their clubs always make the correct decisions about everything.
Their staff and players are always the best and finest in every way (until they leave, when they are suddenly not, and may even behave in "disappointing" ways).
All decisions in their favour are correct, and will be argued to death as such, even when it is obvious that they're not.
All decisions against them are incorrect. See above for debating strategy.

Guess what you lunatics, it's possible to support a football club and acknowledge that it's a funny old world, stuff happens, even people wearing red are normal flawed human beings. People in black also.

It's so b****y tiresome.
I feel better now...;-)
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Trust me as a City fan having followed them
For years there have been generations where the club have made terrible decisions. And we have signed some rammel players and managers over the years. 😖
That said the east lancs road came up in conversation last night. Suffice to say I don’t think the Utd and Liverpool fans have been kind to one another whilst travelling down that road over the years ☹️😉👍
 
Tashyboy said:
The most worrying thing I saw was how easy it looked for wolves players to run at the Utd defence.
One thing is for certain, Maguire will not play in that team unless there is a serious injury to the centre halves. Onana passes the ball out from the back. Maguire couldn’t pass his 11 plus exam and he is 30.
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Ironically, I thought the Man Utd defenders were their best players on the pitch last night. OK, maybe not Martinez, but after his early booking he was walking on eggshells, and up against it as Wolves were breaking through the middle with ease. The Utd midfield and attack were so ridiculously casual and careless in possession, and when they gave the ball away they basically were saying "there you go, have another go at running into an ocean of space towards are defence"
 
Tashyboy said:
Trust me as a City fan having followed them
For years there have been generations where the club have made terrible decisions. And we have signed some rammel players and managers over the years. 😖
That said the east lancs road came up in conversation last night. Suffice to say I don’t think the Utd and Liverpool fans have been kind to one another whilst travelling down that road over the years ☹️😉👍
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For some reason (which I should have added), it's the combination of the ELR and the colour red...
Poor old Toffees and pre 2010 citizens are pretty much the same as the rest of us.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Referees chief couldn't believe penalty not given - O'Neil

Wolves boss Gary O'Neil says elite referees manager Jon Moss told him he "could not believe" his side was not given a late penalty in the 1-0 defeat at Manchester United.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

It should have been a penalty

The only ones saying it shouldn’t are Man Utd fans but there is no doubt if that was the Wolves keeper on Rashford it would have been given and the response would have been different

Teams rarely get penalties there


It doesn’t help when Webb is running the show

“
Simon Hooper was the on-field referee who did not punish the incident while Michael Salisbury was the VAR.

In April, Salisbury was stood down for a game after he did not intervene to award Brighton a penalty in a defeat at Tottenham while also acting as the VAR.

Former leading referee Webb spoke before the season began about his desire to drive up standards and reduce high-profile mistakes.”
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You really do talk a load of nonsense, it is almost like you fit the stereotypical role of a Liverpool fan perfectly (I know how you love stereotypes :) )

I didn't realise Jamie Carragher was a Man Utd fan. Ohh, he isn't, so there is your first point proved wrong.

In regards to what Gary O'Neill was told, does anybody find it odd that the referees association would come out and officially call a decision right or wrong immediately after the game? Do you not think that they would await the referees reports, talk through the incidents with them, etc, before hanging their colleagues out to dry? Do you think they'd wait to gather the facts, before creating a headline that VAR got it wrong on the opening weekend with immediate clickbait headlines regarding incompetence and corruption? The person that allegedly spoke to Gary O'Neill was John Moss. I'm sure many have been critical of many of his decisions in the past, but when it suits them will probably hang on his every "alleged" word as the voice of complete authority when it suits.

In regards to the penalty itself, to me it is simply one of those - could have gone one way or the other. Things are rarely ever 100% one way or the other. When it was said VAR were looking at it, I was worried, I didn't assume that it would 100% not be given. On the other hand, I could easily see a reason why it wouldn't be given, as I mentioned earlier. If Allison came out to try and get a cross, missed it and fell into the attacker who had just won the header, I suspect you'd be more understanding that Allison was just trying to do his job, and a penalty would be harsh, especially as he didn't injure the attacker or stop them making the header.
 
pendodave said:
Whar is it about the East Lancs Road that makes the football supporters at both ends so preposterous??

Their clubs always make the correct decisions about everything.
Their staff and players are always the best and finest in every way (until they leave, when they are suddenly not, and may even behave in "disappointing" ways).
All decisions in their favour are correct, and will be argued to death as such, even when it is obvious that they're not.
All decisions against them are incorrect. See above for debating strategy.

Guess what you lunatics, it's possible to support a football club and acknowledge that it's a funny old world, stuff happens, even people wearing red are normal flawed human beings. People in black also.

It's so b****y tiresome.
I feel better now...;-)
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In regards to Manchester Utd (I think it is reasonable to put up a defence), you probably missed the following:

The fans hate the owners

Their fans have been critical of the players Utd have brought in, and have been critical of them even whilst they have played for Utd (think Pogba, Maguire, De Gea, Rashford, Bruno, etc). Even Utds better players have still faced harsh criticism from fans, and still do.

Their fans have been critical of previous managers since Sir Alex, with ten Hag being the first to have the general support of fans.

As I said previously, incidents are rarely black or white, so a debate can often be made either way. Fans from every club will debate incidents involving their own clubs in the same way generally (although few will take to twitter to try and copy and paste every opinion that agrees with theirs to try and prove they are 100% correct, but one or 2 do go to that extreme)
 
Billysboots said:
Allegedly. We only have the aggrieved manager’s word for it.
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They haven't apologised. John Moss allegedly informally told O'Neill it should have been a penalty. John Moss is a single human being, I'm not sure his words reflect the views of an entire association, until they await to hear back from the referees involved in the game, and then can discuss whether it was right or wrong as a group.
 
Swango1980 said:
Ironically, I thought the Man Utd defenders were their best players on the pitch last night. OK, maybe not Martinez, but after his early booking he was walking on eggshells, and up against it as Wolves were breaking through the middle with ease. The Utd midfield and attack were so ridiculously casual and careless in possession, and when they gave the ball away they basically were saying "there you go, have another go at running into an ocean of space towards are defence"
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Wan Bissaka was excellent, as was Shaw on the whole. When Wolves ran through Utd it was right down the middle. That's looking more like the central midfield being woolly, possibly a little of the centre backs. I can't remember the name of the Wolves player who did this repeatedly but he looked excellent.
 
Clearly we have still a long way to go. BUT, to those writing us off, don't forget our wonderful start last season.....beaten easily at home by Brighton and walloped by Brentford in the 2nd game.

A few observations......

Rashford is not and will never be a CF. His pace is best served coming in from the left.

Garnacho , whilst outstanding in pre season is a better impact player in the prem.

AWB had a good game.

The team that kept the most clean sheets in the prem last year kept another last night.......just.

I think it was a pen. Just my opinion.

We need Hojlund fit....Still wondering what will happen with Greenwood.
 
Junior said:
Clearly we have still a long way to go. BUT, to those writing us off, don't forget our wonderful start last season.....beaten easily at home by Brighton and walloped by Brentford in the 2nd game.

A few observations......

Rashford is not and will never be a CF. His pace is best served coming in from the left.

Garnacho , whilst outstanding in pre season is a better impact player in the prem.

AWB had a good game.

The team that kept the most clean sheets in the prem last year kept another last night.......just.

I think it was a pen. Just my opinion.

We need Hojlund fit....Still wondering what will happen with Greenwood.
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Who was missing from the main starting line up ? Was it just the new lad up top ?

Surprised that Rashford is played through the middle when he is so good from the left

What was the injury to Martinez


In regards Greenwood - I will be amazed if he plays in the Prem again for any team , will prob get sold to a team abroad and it maybe for the best
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Wan Bissaka was excellent, as was Shaw on the whole. When Wolves ran through Utd it was right down the middle. That's looking more like the central midfield being woolly, possibly a little of the centre backs. I can't remember the name of the Wolves player who did this repeatedly but he looked excellent.
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It is difficult for the Utd centre backs. With the full backs trying to get forward as much as possible, it can leave them horribly exposed if Utd lose the ball carelessly. They often did so in the middle of the pitch, and then Wolves almost had the freedom of the pitch to run at the centre backs. Again, it is a common theme for Utd the last few years, and why I think Maguire is not as bad as people make out, even with his limitations.

When I watch the best teams play, they are patient in possession. They move the ball, and play a lot of easy passes. Players rarely look to dribble the ball, until a real opportunity presents itself to run into space or at an exposed defender. By continually keeping it simple, and players moving well off the ball, they inevitably open up spaces to attack in. They also keep the opposition on the back foot, as they know if they try and attack, they may well fall into a trap and get punished.

With Utd, it still feels like there are too many players that, when they get the ball, it is head down and gung ho attack. The likes of Rashford, Anthony and Garnacho seem to think the first thing they must always do is run at the defenders. With Rashford, he seems to run at 3 or 4 defenders, and more often than not runs into a brick wall. Even if they eventually decide they need to pass the ball as their dribble is not on, they've been closed down and there is no easy pass, as they've been closed down and their team mate has also been closed down. So, they just have to rush a pass, and it seems like the defence is more tuned into it that their team mates. Bruno seems to want to play the Hollywood pass most of the time, instead of having a bit more patience.

Mind you, Rashford is simply not a centre forward. He doesn't have the intelligence to make those runs, and create space for himself and his team mates. Perhaps this really gives Utd a lack of options on the ball, and a big reason why they keep losing the ball so easily as they are determined to play the way they think they should be able to play, but just don't have the key player up there to do it well.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Who was missing from the main starting line up ? Was it just the new lad up top ?

Surprised that Rashford is played through the middle when he is so good from the left

What was the injury to Martinez


In regards Greenwood - I will be amazed if he plays in the Prem again for any team , will prob get sold to a team abroad and it maybe for the best
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Not sure if Martinez was injured, if he was probably something very small. I think he was probably benched because he was on a yellow, and he was often exposed and facing rapid attacks from the Wolves midfield. It was a second yellow waiting to happen. If he did have a slight injury, probably all the more likely he'd have mistimed a challenge I suppose.
 
Swango1980 said:
They haven't apologised. John Moss allegedly informally told O'Neill it should have been a penalty. John Moss is a single human being, I'm not sure his words reflect the views of an entire association, until they await to hear back from the referees involved in the game, and then can discuss whether it was right or wrong as a group.
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Quite. If Moss spoke to O’Neill in an official capacity then I would fully expect a PGMOL statement later today.

As for the United performance I tend to agree with your observation that the midfield were woeful last night. The defence was placed under repeated pressure so to keep a clean sheet is testament to someone behind them doing something right.

There seems to be a lot of hysteria around the United performance. It was the first game of the season for pity’s sake. I’m not going to stress about it just yet. At least not until the transfer window is shut and any new signings fully integrated.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Wan Bissaka was excellent, as was Shaw on the whole. When Wolves ran through Utd it was right down the middle. That's looking more like the central midfield being woolly, possibly a little of the centre backs. I can't remember the name of the Wolves player who did this repeatedly but he looked excellent.
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I think you mean Cunha.
 
Billysboots said:
Quite. If Moss spoke to O’Neill in an official capacity then I would fully expect a PGMOL statement later today.

As for the United performance I tend to agree with your observation that the midfield were woeful last night. The defence was placed under repeated pressure so to keep a clean sheet is testament to someone behind them doing something right.

There seems to be a lot of hysteria around the United performance. It was the first game of the season for pity’s sake. I’m not going to stress about it just yet. At least not until the transfer window is shut and any new signings fully integrated.
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To be fair, even if Man Utd have a shocker this season, I'm not going to blame the players or manager. I'm going to play my free wild card, and say that the players are just tired after playing a lot of games last season :)
 
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