The Footie Thread

[Bunkermagnet]

Apparently Maguire wants to sign for a team Playing in the champs league

Do they have a better quality of bench cushion in the Champ’s League then?

 

[Swango1980]

Exactly. Seemingly only Spurs fans understand. He's not a commodity, he's Harry f'n Kane. He can't be replaced for any sum of money so he should be kept for as long as possible!

Why do you think PSG want to sell Mbappe? After all, it is Kylian ****** Mbappe!

Manchester Utd could never replace Christiano Ronaldo, but they didn't just keep him at all costs and hope they could convince him to stay, and risk him leaving for free at end of contract. They evaluated the situation with the player, ultimately allowed him to leave for a record transfer fee but on good terms. There will be countless examples where clubs have allowed players to leave for big transfer fees, even though they cannot replace them with an equally good player. That is just something that happens when the best players in the world move clubs.

Spurs are going to have to replace Kane at some point. If he had committed to Spurs on a multi year contract, then fair enough, keep him. But he hasn't, and so Levy is taking a huge gamble. It'll pay off if he somehow manages to convince Kane to extend his contract. But, if he doesn't, Spurs will lose out on nearly £100 million to at least soften the blow when it comes to replacing him.

 

[Orikoru]

Why do you think PSG want to sell Mbappe? After all, it is Kylian ****** Mbappe!

Manchester Utd could never replace Christiano Ronaldo, but they didn't just keep him at all costs and hope they could convince him to stay, and risk him leaving for free at end of contract. They evaluated the situation with the player, ultimately allowed him to leave for a record transfer fee but on good terms. There will be countless examples where clubs have allowed players to leave for big transfer fees, even though they cannot replace them with an equally good player. That is just something that happens when the best players in the world move clubs.

Spurs are going to have to replace Kane at some point. If he had committed to Spurs on a multi year contract, then fair enough, keep him. But he hasn't, and so Levy is taking a huge gamble. It'll pay off if he somehow manages to convince Kane to extend his contract. But, if he doesn't, Spurs will lose out on nearly £100 million to at least soften the blow when it comes to replacing him.

Every other example usually stems from the player demanding to leave and forcing it through. I don't think Kane has ever gone that far. He genuinely loves the club and will stay and play his heart out for another season if that's the way it goes.

We're not losing £100mil because nobody is paying £100mil are they? I thought that was what Levy asked for and nobody has stumped it up. Replacing him is impossible either way. You would need at least £150mil, but £150mil players don't want to join us anyway, so it's moot. He will not be replaced. Once he goes we'll be back to making do with half-decent strikers like we used to in the past. When we had strikers like Keane, Defoe, Crouch, who were all pretty good but not world class. If we sell Kane now for 80 million, all it does it bring us one year closer to that bleak future.

 

[Yorkhacker]

Maybe Levy is gambling on Spurs getting a great start to the season, and he can persuade Kane to sign a new contract.

 

[TimShady]

It’s fairly obvious to me that Spurs have been trying to find a Kane replacement and have failed, hence no sale. I think they would’ve let him go if they’d got their man elsewhere.

 

[Orikoru]

Maybe Levy is gambling on Spurs getting a great start to the season, and he can persuade Kane to sign a new contract.

Most likely. Bear in mind Levy knows Kane better than any of us, of course. He may have faith that the current manager will get us playing in a way that Kane finds encouraging.

 

[GreiginFife]

The bit I don't get with the Kane situation is this: You can get £80M or whatever it is that Bayern are offering today. That's £80M towards a replacement. If he goes for free next year you get bumpkiss.

Looking at some comments on here there's not much faith in Spurs achieving European football next season, let along CL football. So if you keep him and end up finishing with no Euro place, what have you actually gained in keeping him other than being £80M behind in trying to find a replacement. Something in there makes no sense to me.

I get that he's a legend, loves the club, fans love him etc... but none of that gets you a replacement when the chips are down. Football is a business rather than a labour of love and has been for some time.

Unless of course, you manage to squeeze yourself in amongst the Top 4 with a probably resurgent Liverpool and Chelsea (neither can be as bad again this season, surely) along with City, Arsenal, Man U and even Newcastle... That's a lot of teams vying for 4 places. But then, how confident are Spurs fans that this is realistic and keeping Kane actually makes financial sense?

 

[Orikoru]

The bit I don't get with the Kane situation is this: You can get £80M or whatever it is that Bayern are offering today. That's £80M towards a replacement. If he goes for free next year you get bumpkiss.

Looking at some comments on here there's not much faith in Spurs achieving European football next season, let along CL football. So if you keep him and end up finishing with no Euro place, what have you actually gained in keeping him other than being £80M behind in trying to find a replacement. Something in there makes no sense to me.

I get that he's a legend, loves the club, fans love him etc... but none of that gets you a replacement when the chips are down. Football is a business rather than a labour of love and has been for some time.

Unless of course, you manage to squeeze yourself in amongst the Top 4 with a probably resurgent Liverpool and Chelsea (neither can be as bad again this season, surely) along with City, Arsenal, Man U and even Newcastle... That's a lot of teams vying for 4 places. But then, how confident are Spurs fans that this is realistic and keeping Kane actually makes financial sense?

Too late to find a replacement now anyway. The season starts on Friday. While I've said that I'd rather have Kane for one more year then lose him for free than sell him now - I'd be surprised if Levy is looking at it that way, as that would be very un-Levy-like. He must believe he can convince him to stay and see out his career with Spurs. I've no idea how he'd convince him, but then I'm not Daniel Levy.

For all we know, maybe Kane has never wanted to leave, the talk of wanting to win trophies is just being honest and geared towards pushing the club to match his ambitions? I'm still sure he'd rather stay in England - to chase the goal record but also because he has a young family - and staying one more year with us makes that more likely as none of the English clubs look interested in paying the money right now. He may not be bothered at all about moving to Germany and hence isn't pushing Levy to accept the offers.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The bit I don't get with the Kane situation is this: You can get £80M or whatever it is that Bayern are offering today. That's £80M towards a replacement. If he goes for free next year you get bumpkiss.

Looking at some comments on here there's not much faith in Spurs achieving European football next season, let along CL football. So if you keep him and end up finishing with no Euro place, what have you actually gained in keeping him other than being £80M behind in trying to find a replacement. Something in there makes no sense to me.

I get that he's a legend, loves the club, fans love him etc... but none of that gets you a replacement when the chips are down. Football is a business rather than a labour of love and has been for some time.

Unless of course, you manage to squeeze yourself in amongst the Top 4 with a probably resurgent Liverpool and Chelsea (neither can be as bad again this season, surely) along with City, Arsenal, Man U and even Newcastle... That's a lot of teams vying for 4 places. But then, how confident are Spurs fans that this is realistic and keeping Kane actually makes financial sense?

Issue Spurs will have is replacing him with £80m. Remember when they tried to replace berbatov and Keane, ended up with Soldado and Pavlychenko

I think Kane is a generational footballer who you cant replace like for like.

Selling Kane now with no replacement weakens them massively.

 

[Orikoru]

Issue Spurs will have is replacing him with £80m. Remember when they tried to replace berbatov and Keane, ended up with Soldado and Pavlychenko

I think Kane is a generational footballer who you cant replace like for like.

Selling Kane now with no replacement weakens them massively.

Correct. Our track record of actually buying strikers is absolutely horrendous. Last good one I can think of was Berbatov.

 

[Swango1980]

Every other example usually stems from the player demanding to leave and forcing it through. I don't think Kane has ever gone that far. He genuinely loves the club and will stay and play his heart out for another season if that's the way it goes.

We're not losing £100mil because nobody is paying £100mil are they? I thought that was what Levy asked for and nobody has stumped it up. Replacing him is impossible either way. You would need at least £150mil, but £150mil players don't want to join us anyway, so it's moot. He will not be replaced. Once he goes we'll be back to making do with half-decent strikers like we used to in the past. When we had strikers like Keane, Defoe, Crouch, who were all pretty good but not world class. If we sell Kane now for 80 million, all it does it bring us one year closer to that bleak future.

And, you'll have less money to be able to bring in those types of strikers next year. You might have to do with Maupay or Weghorst instead?

 

[GreiginFife]

Issue Spurs will have is replacing him with £80m. Remember when they tried to replace berbatov and Keane, ended up with Soldado and Pavlychenko

I think Kane is a generational footballer who you cant replace like for like.

Selling Kane now with no replacement weakens them massively.

I'm not saying replace him FOR £80m. If the replacement is £120m then that means only "spending" £40m rather than taking the full £120m hit when they inevitably have to replace him if/when he leaves for free.

If they were guaranteed (or even remotely in with a sniff) of CL football and some sort of meaningful income then, yeah I get it.

Absolutely he is a generational footballer and I don't think anyone is saying that he can/will be replaced like-for-like, I don't actually think any player can be like-for-like as they all have differing abilities and personalities. But they WILL have to replace him at some point. The conundrum is whether to generate income or not whilst he still has "value".

 

[Orikoru]

And, you'll have less money to be able to bring in those types of strikers next year. You might have to do with Maupay or Weghorst instead?

So be it. Whatever happens our best years are behind us. We've not replaced Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Dembele, or Trippier yet either, we'll just add Kane to the ever-growing list.

 

[Swango1980]

Every other example usually stems from the player demanding to leave and forcing it through. I don't think Kane has ever gone that far. He genuinely loves the club and will stay and play his heart out for another season if that's the way it goes.

We're not losing £100mil because nobody is paying £100mil are they?

PS.

Not every player demands to leave vocally through the media. But, a contract is a contract, and he has yet to extend his. Just because he is a nice guy isn't a reason to lose out on millions. Again, Ronaldo never fell out with Man Utd and threw his toys out of the pram. He simply indicated he wanted to go to Madrid, and him and the club came to an agreement. Many other players have given their heart and sole to their club before leaving to go elsewhere. Didn't Kane indicate he wanted to go to City a few years ago, and then it turned out Levy backed out on a gentleman's agreement? Kane may feel like he owes Levy nothing, maybe he even dislikes the guy. He'll give everything for Spurs, for the fans, but I'm sure he will be quite happy to leave for nothing next season, meaning Levy gets nothing and he gets a nice juicy contract.

So, £80 million or whatever the fee Bayern have offered seems a healthy chunk of money to help Spurs with their inevitable rebuild.

 

[TimShady]

I'm not saying replace him FOR £80m. If the replacement is £120m then that means only "spending" £40m rather than taking the full £120m hit when they inevitably have to replace him if/when he leaves for free.

If they were guaranteed (or even remotely in with a sniff) of CL football and some sort of meaningful income then, yeah I get it.

Absolutely he is a generational footballer and I don't think anyone is saying that he can/will be replaced like-for-like, I don't actually think any player can be like-for-like as they all have differing abilities and personalities. But they WILL have to replace him at some point. The conundrum is whether to generate income or not whilst he still has "value".

Who is this player they get? Who’s anywhere near that level who wants to play for Spurs?

 

[Orikoru]

PS.

Not every player demands to leave vocally through the media. But, a contract is a contract, and he has yet to extend his. Just because he is a nice guy isn't a reason to lose out on millions. Again, Ronaldo never fell out with Man Utd and threw his toys out of the pram. He simply indicated he wanted to go to Madrid, and him and the club came to an agreement. Many other players have given their heart and sole to their club before leaving to go elsewhere. Didn't Kane indicate he wanted to go to City a few years ago, and then it turned out Levy backed out on a gentleman's agreement? Kane may feel like he owes Levy nothing, maybe he even dislikes the guy. He'll give everything for Spurs, for the fans, but I'm sure he will be quite happy to leave for nothing next season, meaning Levy gets nothing and he gets a nice juicy contract.

So, £80 million or whatever the fee Bayern have offered seems a healthy chunk of money to help Spurs with their inevitable rebuild.

I'm not bothered. Keeping him for another season is the right call for possibly the wrong reasons by Levy. But once Kane is gone I probably won't be watching anymore so I'll be happy if he stays for now.

 

[GreiginFife]

Who is this player they get? Who’s anywhere near that level who wants to play for Spurs?

I don't know, there are strikers out there that with the right incentive (weekly rate) would potentially play for Spurs. They are a reasonably big club with a decent recent history afterall.

Osimihen seems like a good option, as does Vlahovic (albeit Chelski are in there at the moment), or, buy a young prospect and build them into a player, Kane didn't start off a Spurs legend, he had several loan spells. But I take your point.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not bothered. Keeping him for another season is the right call for possibly the wrong reasons by Levy. But once Kane is gone I probably won't be watching anymore so I'll be happy if he stays for now.

Sorry but why would you stop watching if Kane goes ?

Surely you don’t only watch spurs because of Kane

And both Kane and Spurs should have sorted it all a couple years ago - he prob should have gone then and both could have moved on

 

[Orikoru]

I don't know, there are strikers out there that with the right incentive (weekly rate) would potentially play for Spurs. They are a reasonably big club with a decent recent history afterall.

Osimihen seems like a good option, as does Vlahovic (albeit Chelski are in there at the moment), or, buy a young prospect and build them into a player, Kane didn't start off a Spurs legend, he had several loan spells. But I take your point.

This part is true, and we have a fantastic stadium and training facilities, but we don't pay big wages, and we're on a downward trajectory with zero European football to offer right now. People keep talking about Osimhen, and while I do rate the Premier League a level above Serie A, I'm not sure he would trade winning the league there for 8th place over here and no Europe let alone Champion's League.

 

[TimShady]

I don't know, there are strikers out there that with the right incentive (weekly rate) would potentially play for Spurs. They are a reasonably big club with a decent recent history afterall.

Osimihen seems like a good option, as does Vlahovic (albeit Chelski are in there at the moment), or, buy a young prospect and build them into a player, Kane didn't start off a Spurs legend, he had several loan spells. But I take your point.

I don’t see either of those even entertaining the idea of Spurs. I don’t think there’s anyone remotely close to him that they can get.