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Because if Spurs lose him anyway next season, by not selling him this season you are just delaying the inevitable. That includes delaying the time in which Spurs can look to rebuild their squad (as at the moment Harry Kane will still be the main guy in any system they play).

So, does Levy sell him now and look to start afresh, with money in his pocket. Or, wait another season before starting afresh with no money in his pocket? (I'd imagine he'd still get more than £50 million for him now)

So, if Levy refuses to take, say £80-100 million for Kane now, then that is effectively the price he is paying to have Kane for the single 2023/24 season. Is that worth it? I don't think any manager would pay that amount of money to have Kane for a single season.
With Kane in the side, and if the manager hits the ground running, I believe there's a chance we could snatch 4th, which for Levy is the be-all and end-all. Without Kane, it doesn't matter who you bring in, there is zero chance. That's the difference.
 
Newcastle - just bought someone called Minteh ? Think they need to do a good amount of work to go again next season with the extra games in Europe
Gone on loan to Feyenoord. One for the future if he develops.

I love the way that we are just 3 weeks into the transfer window and fans are moaning that we haven't signed anyone and have lost out on two alleged transfer targets (Maddison and Szoboszlai) and are slagging the club off for inactivity. Plainly the two players mentioned did not want to come or we were not prepared to pay the asking price, or, in the case of the latter, were not interested in/unwilling to activate the release clause.

Looking at some of the rumour monger sites, we've been linked with virtually any player with a vowel in their surname (so very few Polish players :D). Not sure how many of those we've been linked to have ever really been "under consideration" by the club and it does look like we have a policy of not being held to ransom by other clubs over transfer fees.

There still the best part of two months to go in this window....a lot of it is like poker as buying/selling clubs are waiting for each other to blink.

Transfers made under the pressure of FOMO are usually not the best in the long term.

 
Gone on loan to Feyenoord. One for the future if he develops.

I love the way that we are just 3 weeks into the transfer window and fans are moaning that we haven't signed anyone and have lost out on two alleged transfer targets (Maddison and Szoboszlai) and are slagging the club off for inactivity. Plainly the two players mentioned did not want to come or we were not prepared to pay the asking price, or, in the case of the latter, were not interested in/unwilling to activate the release clause.

Looking at some of the rumour monger sites, we've been linked with virtually any player with a vowel in their surname (so very few Polish players :D). Not sure how many of those we've been linked to have ever really been "under consideration" by the club and it does look like we have a policy of not being held to ransom by other clubs over transfer fees.

There still the best part of two months to go in this window....a lot of it is like poker as buying/selling clubs are waiting for each other to blink.

Transfers made under the pressure of FOMO are usually not the best in the long term.

Problem is everyone knows Newcastle have got all the money. For Spurs, the Maddison price was £40mil, but for Newcastle it was probably £65mil. 😄
 
Gone on loan to Feyenoord. One for the future if he develops.

I love the way that we are just 3 weeks into the transfer window and fans are moaning that we haven't signed anyone and have lost out on two alleged transfer targets (Maddison and Szoboszlai) and are slagging the club off for inactivity. Plainly the two players mentioned did not want to come or we were not prepared to pay the asking price, or, in the case of the latter, were not interested in/unwilling to activate the release clause.

Looking at some of the rumour monger sites, we've been linked with virtually any player with a vowel in their surname (so very few Polish players :D). Not sure how many of those we've been linked to have ever really been "under consideration" by the club and it does look like we have a policy of not being held to ransom by other clubs over transfer fees.

There still the best part of two months to go in this window....a lot of it is like poker as buying/selling clubs are waiting for each other to blink.

Transfers made under the pressure of FOMO are usually not the best in the long term.

I saw a picture on FB this morning from a Toon fansite, Stavely something. Anyway, it showed St James Park with the pitch full of players in the shirt. You could barely see grass. The caption was along the lines of 'if Newcastle bought every player they were linked with this window.......' :ROFLMAO: . It's so true of any team who is making a bit of a splash or has money to spend.
 
With Kane in the side, and if the manager hits the ground running, I believe there's a chance we could snatch 4th, which for Levy is the be-all and end-all. Without Kane, it doesn't matter who you bring in, there is zero chance. That's the difference.

But then you have the same issue in 12 months but have to totally fund the new striker yourselves at a cost of £50+ when you could have just sold Kane and spent £30m of your money to get a £80m+ striker now?

You’re clinging on to him in the hope of a good season. Stupid. What happens if you finish 8th again? Will you agree it’s money down the drain then?
 
But then you have the same issue in 12 months but have to totally fund the new striker yourselves at a cost of £50+ when you could have just sold Kane and spent £30m of your money to get a £80m+ striker now?

You’re clinging on to him in the hope of a good season. Stupid. What happens if you finish 8th again? Will you agree it’s money down the drain then?
We never have any chance of replacing Kane, £50mil or no £50mil. Once he's gone you're basically starting again with nothing either way. You would need £200mil and to not be Tottenham Hotspur for a start. It's game over. I'd keep him as long as physically possible, because I'm certain I will never see another player as good as him in a Tottenham shirt in my lifetime. He's the player I'll tell my future grandchildren about.

If he goes now, 8th is about the best we can hope for anyway.
 
Problem is everyone knows Newcastle have got all the money. For Spurs, the Maddison price was £40mil, but for Newcastle it was probably £65mil. 😄
Think that is what Southampton are doing with Livramento. We've allegedly offered £15m. Think they want closer to £30m (plus?) for him...which might be a bit rich for a player who was out for over a year with an ACL injury. Again if there any truth to the connection it will be a case of who blinks...can Southampton afford to keep him (does he want to stay) in the Championship or do they need to shed costs, or will NUFC or even ANother club throw the cash and take the risk.
 
We never have any chance of replacing Kane, £50mil or no £50mil. Once he's gone you're basically starting again with nothing either way. You would need £200mil and to not be Tottenham Hotspur for a start. It's game over. I'd keep him as long as physically possible, because I'm certain I will never see another player as good as him in a Tottenham shirt in my lifetime. He's the player I'll tell my future grandchildren about.

If he goes now, 8th is about the best we can hope for anyway.

I thought that about Grealish.

Look at us now....
 
I thought that about Grealish.

Look at us now....
It's not the same. Kane is miles better than Grealish and plays in a more significant position as well. And I say that as a Grealish fan. You can buy a couple of effective wingers for Grealish's £100mil fee. If we sell Kane for £50mil that gets us, what? Certainly not even one worthwhile striker anymore.
 
Because if Spurs lose him anyway next season, by not selling him this season you are just delaying the inevitable. That includes delaying the time in which Spurs can look to rebuild their squad (as at the moment Harry Kane will still be the main guy in any system they play).

So, does Levy sell him now and look to start afresh, with money in his pocket. Or, wait another season before starting afresh with no money in his pocket? (I'd imagine he'd still get more than £50 million for him now)

So, if Levy refuses to take, say £80-100 million for Kane now, then that is effectively the price he is paying to have Kane for the single 2023/24 season. Is that worth it? I don't think any manager would pay that amount of money to have Kane for a single season.
I don't see anyone paying the 100m people keep quoting.

Levy probably thinks there's a chance of CL footy. Might not be enough to keep kane, but might help attract better players than they can now.

Spurs for a wholenhave struggled to get a striker as no top player wants to come and warm the bench.
 
Gone on loan to Feyenoord. One for the future if he develops.

I love the way that we are just 3 weeks into the transfer window and fans are moaning that we haven't signed anyone and have lost out on two alleged transfer targets (Maddison and Szoboszlai) and are slagging the club off for inactivity. Plainly the two players mentioned did not want to come or we were not prepared to pay the asking price, or, in the case of the latter, were not interested in/unwilling to activate the release clause.

Looking at some of the rumour monger sites, we've been linked with virtually any player with a vowel in their surname (so very few Polish players :D). Not sure how many of those we've been linked to have ever really been "under consideration" by the club and it does look like we have a policy of not being held to ransom by other clubs over transfer fees.

There still the best part of two months to go in this window....a lot of it is like poker as buying/selling clubs are waiting for each other to blink.

Transfers made under the pressure of FOMO are usually not the best in the long term.



It’s standard now unfortunately- if your club isn’t spending millions then they want heads to roll

They expect because Newcastle is financed by PIF to see millions upon millions being spent - but it’s just not that simple anymore , and even though Newcastle in the CL it’s going to take time for those players that want CL to come across

Going to be an interesting tough season next season
Lol - if he goes now it’s more funny than the first time 😂



It would be really poor if he went there



Looks like Utd are looking at Amrabat - thought he was someone who would be good for us , was decent in the WC
 
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With Kane in the side, and if the manager hits the ground running, I believe there's a chance we could snatch 4th, which for Levy is the be-all and end-all. Without Kane, it doesn't matter who you bring in, there is zero chance. That's the difference.
First thing is first.

Everyone knows Spurs are a better side with Kane than without him in nearly all circumstances, even with another striker coming in to replace him. No one is disputing that. And therefore Spurs chances of getting in top 4 are better if they keep him.

However, the same is true for many clubs selling their best players. Villa would have preferred to have Grealish than not have him. West Ham would prefer to have Rice than not have him. Leicester would rather have Maddison than not have him. But, if all clubs had the same attitude as Levy, and you seemingly, then they'd just always keep their best players until they run out of contract. Then let them go for free. There is a reason they don't.

Some are questioning Man Utd's business sense now that they've let De Gea's contract run out, even though there have never seemed to be a huge amount of interested clubs willing to throw us a lot of money for him. So, will Levy be questioned next year if Kane leaves for free, when he had a prize asset to sell this summer.

Obviously, Levy has let his top players go before. One who springs to mind is Bale. Any thoughts why he ended up letting Bale go, but seemingly refuses to let Kane go? Unless Kane has privately told him there is a good chance he will eventually sign a new deal. Maybe he things he can manipulate Kane's agent better (Kane's brother) rather than Bale's?
 
First thing is first.

Everyone knows Spurs are a better side with Kane than without him in nearly all circumstances, even with another striker coming in to replace him. No one is disputing that. And therefore Spurs chances of getting in top 4 are better if they keep him.

However, the same is true for many clubs selling their best players. Villa would have preferred to have Grealish than not have him. West Ham would prefer to have Rice than not have him. Leicester would rather have Maddison than not have him. But, if all clubs had the same attitude as Levy, and you seemingly, then they'd just always keep their best players until they run out of contract. Then let them go for free. There is a reason they don't.

Some are questioning Man Utd's business sense now that they've let De Gea's contract run out, even though there have never seemed to be a huge amount of interested clubs willing to throw us a lot of money for him. So, will Levy be questioned next year if Kane leaves for free, when he had a prize asset to sell this summer.

Obviously, Levy has let his top players go before. One who springs to mind is Bale. Any thoughts why he ended up letting Bale go, but seemingly refuses to let Kane go? Unless Kane has privately told him there is a good chance he will eventually sign a new deal. Maybe he things he can manipulate Kane's agent better (Kane's brother) rather than Bale's?
They're all good players but Kane is a generational talent, and as a striker who effectively plays numbers 9 and 10 simultaneously, I'd argue is much harder to replace than the others as well. He will finish his career as the highest ever scorer for both England and in the Premier League (most likely). That's a once in a lifetime player. It's not really about money at this stage. I fully support doing everything we can to keep him, and when he does leave (or retire) there is a lot more to be sad about than having not got 50 or 60 million quid.

Edit: Missed the Bale bit. I'm pretty sure he desperately wanted to go and play for a top club, be it Madrid or other. I don't really get the same vibe from Kane. He wants to win trophies, sure, but he'd very much rather than was at Spurs I think. So he's more torn than Bale was. He was never going to stamp his feet and demand the move.
 
I don't see anyone paying the 100m people keep quoting.

Levy probably thinks there's a chance of CL footy. Might not be enough to keep kane, but might help attract better players than they can now.

Spurs for a wholenhave struggled to get a striker as no top player wants to come and warm the bench.
Yes, £100 million might be a bit steep. Although if they risk waiting a year to get him for free, they also risk being in competition with many more clubs for his signature. I guess I could only see the fee exceeding £100 million if there is a bidding war, or if Levy simply refuses to negotiate unless the fee is in excess of this (which seems to be the case). And not many clubs can afford such a fee, even many of the biggest clubs will probably see it as too big a fee, especially with FFP.

I think you make a very good point (I assume it was the point you were making anyway) that if Spurs just got rid of Kane, they may well be able to attract better strikers to their club. A top striker, who expects to play week in, week out, is unlikely going to sign for Spurs whilst Kane is there. If Spurs got rid of Kane, and brought in another young top striker, and improved the other 10 players on the pitch (in terms of personnel and/or playing style), as a team they could have the potential to be much better than they are now.
 
Still don't get your mentality on this. What's the point of taking £50mil for him, where does that get us? Can't get a decent striker for that now let alone a replacement for Harry Kane. No chance of replacing him so might as well keep him as long as you can.

It gets Spurs £50m towards the £100m they’ll need to spend to properly replace Kane. Wait till next year and Spurs will need to find the full £100m
 
It gets Spurs £50m towards the £100m they’ll need to spend to properly replace Kane. Wait till next year and Spurs will need to find the full £100m
£100mil only gets you one Romelu Lukaku, that's not a replacement for Kane at all. You'd have to start at £150m and head north of that, and we're never spending that anyway. He won't ever be 'replaced'.
 
They're all good players but Kane is a generational talent, and as a striker who effectively plays numbers 9 and 10 simultaneously, I'd argue is much harder to replace than the others as well. He will finish his career as the highest ever scorer for both England and in the Premier League (most likely). That's a once in a lifetime player. It's not really about money at this stage. I fully support doing everything we can to keep him, and when he does leave (or retire) there is a lot more to be sad about than having not got 50 or 60 million quid.

I'd agree whole heartedly with this, the one thing I would say about his numbers though...... imagine if he'd played for a good side.

;)
 
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