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It's not really. Every team he has gone to he's reduced how many goals they concede. He doesnt turn them all into Baresi granted but he sets his teams up not concede or lose. In your position right now, would you take 4 x 0-0's to stay up?
Between Allardyce's first game in charge and the end of the 2020-21 season, West Brom completed the fewest passes (5,142), had the worst passing accuracy (69.2%), played the highest percentage of long passes (22%) and conceded the most goals (50) in the Premier League.

Not what I would call sound defensively.

I would rather go down than he be associated with the club.
 

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So Leeds looking to sack Gracia and bring In Allardyce 😳


And in regards Jota and the High boot
This is Gallaghers view


This was Dermot Gallagher on an identical incident


Imo - both endangered the opponent, both players can’t have their foot up that high without taking care and both should have prob been a red card
If they were "studs showing" challenges at knee/shin height...Haaland and Jota would both have seen red. Cant see why neither was shown a red for a head high studs showing challenge.
 

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Big Sam keeping Leeds up and sending Everton down in the process would be a fairytale ending after Everton sacked him for finishing 8th.
I think you will find that Sam was extremely happy with the pay off he received there. You also wont find a single Everton fan that thinks he should have been a/ appointed and b/ not sacked.
 

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I think you will find that Sam was extremely happy with the pay off he received there. You also wont find a single Everton fan that thinks he should have been a/ appointed and b/ not sacked.
Those above points are irrelevant go the point i've made. He went in at Everton when they were bottom 5? He got them up and steered them to 8th was it? He stopped them from conceding goals.
 

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Between Allardyce's first game in charge and the end of the 2020-21 season, West Brom completed the fewest passes (5,142), had the worst passing accuracy (69.2%), played the highest percentage of long passes (22%) and conceded the most goals (50) in the Premier League.

Not what I would call sound defensively.

I would rather go down than he be associated with the club.

Thats at 1 club. Everywhere else hes done wonders. Give him credit were it's due.

Whats so bad about him being associated with Leeds?
 

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Those above points are irrelevant go the point i've made. He went in at Everton when they were bottom 5? He got them up and steered them to 8th was it? He stopped them from conceding goals.
Personally I think we would be in a better position now than we have been with Benitez Lampard and Dyche,he worked wonders at Bolton with a limited budget
 
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Thats at 1 club. Everywhere else hes done wonders. Give him credit were it's due.

Whats so bad about him being associated with Leeds?
For starters he’s a crook.

His football is awful and he’s not going to move us forward.
 
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I think you will find that Sam was extremely happy with the pay off he received there. You also wont find a single Everton fan that thinks he should have been a/ appointed and b/ not sacked.

Was just discussing that elsewhere


Allardyce took over when Koeman had the club in 18th , the club were trying to get Silva but didn’t go well so Allardyce came in , played his brand of football and got Everton 8th

Everton fans were universal that they didn’t want him so he left

Don’t think Everton have done any better than that since he left including under Ancelotti , they even prob preferred Lampard


They then employed Dyche who isn’t much different to Allardyce


Who knows bringing Allardyce back could have helped Everton

Guess that’s the trade off - do you want a club to stay in the Prem at all costs or play nice football and prob struggle

What Everton should have done is shown a bit more paitence to someone like Silva , a decent first season , a bit of struggle to start the second season and sacked after a poor start

But it was the same with Koeman and Martinez - all had decent seasons with Everton.
 

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I for one would have taken allardyce when we parted ways with Ralph Hasenhüttl. Whist I don’t go along with his own belief he would be more respected if he was Allardici, he has improved the majority of teams.
if I recall he Was sacked For stating he knew work around for transfer deals and agreed a deal to talk about it.
neither of which lead to legal proceedings That I’m aware of.
 

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Was just discussing that elsewhere


Allardyce took over when Koeman had the club in 18th , the club were trying to get Silva but didn’t go well so Allardyce came in , played his brand of football and got Everton 8th

Everton fans were universal that they didn’t want him so he left

Don’t think Everton have done any better than that since he left including under Ancelotti , they even prob preferred Lampard


They then employed Dyche who isn’t much different to Allardyce


Who knows bringing Allardyce back could have helped Everton

Guess that’s the trade off - do you want a club to stay in the Prem at all costs or play nice football and prob struggle

What Everton should have done is shown a bit more paitence to someone like Silva , a decent first season , a bit of struggle to start the second season and sacked after a poor start

But it was the same with Koeman and Martinez - all had decent seasons with Everton.
The board definitely jumped too soon with Koeman. That was the first, of a long line, of mistakes. He was a good manager, they should have trusted him to come through the difficulties.

Silva was giving away goals on a weekly basis and refused to alter what he did. He was plain stubborn and that cost him. The football was good, the defending at set pieces, playing from the back whatever the consequences, was plain painful. I don't blame them there.

Allardyce was awful. Ask Liverpool fans if the want Hodgson back? Allardyce was our Hodgson. No, no no. The most panic of all panic appointments. Apart from Bolton fans you will find most fans of clubs he managed feel exactly the same way. Win at all costs, no thanks. There is no joy in watching an Allardyce team. Anyone wanting him at their club, along with both massive chips on each shoulder, has no love for football.

Benitez should never have been appointed, no discussion required there.

Ancelloti, he left for Madrid after only a year. Can't think what drew him to Real 🤷‍♀️. We could never win that battle, who knows what might have happened but with FFP he would have been scuppered to a large extent as well.

Lampard, we keep hearing, try young English talent. We did, we gave him a chance but it didn't work. A shame, as most fans were behind him and wanted him to do well.

Dyche, right man for the current situation, same next year whether in the PL or Championship. The board have to trust him, stick with him. We are starting from a low base right now, we are going to have some wilderness year, already having them, no matter. He has to rebuild in a number of areas.
 
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The board definitely jumped too soon with Koeman. That was the first, of a long line, of mistakes. He was a good manager, they should have trusted him to come through the difficulties.

Silva was giving away goals on a weekly basis and refused to alter what he did. He was plain stubborn and that cost him. The football was good, the defending at set pieces, playing from the back whatever the consequences, was plain painful. I don't blame them there.

Allardyce was awful. Ask Liverpool fans if the want Hodgson back? Allardyce was our Hodgson. No, no no. The most panic of all panic appointments. Apart from Bolton fans you will find most fans of clubs he managed feel exactly the same way. Win at all costs, no thanks. There is no joy in watching an Allardyce team. Anyone wanting him at their club, along with both massive chips on each shoulder, has no love for football.

Benitez should never have been appointed, no discussion required there.

Ancelloti, he left for Madrid after only a year. Can't think what drew him to Real 🤷‍♀️. We could never win that battle, who knows what might have happened but with FFP he would have been scuppered to a large extent as well.

Lampard, we keep hearing, try young English talent. We did, we gave him a chance but it didn't work. A shame, as most fans were behind him and wanted him to do well.

Dyche, right man for the current situation, same next year whether in the PL or Championship. The board have to trust him, stick with him. We are starting from a low base right now, we are going to have some wilderness year, already having them, no matter. He has to rebuild in a number of areas.

It just seems like a never ending downward spiral after Martinez was fired -get a new guy in , he does well but then fired after a run of poor games - it happened to Martinez , Koeman and Silva consecutively and each of them are good managers and if the club had stuck with them could be doing what the likes of Brighton , Brentford and Fulham are doing - getting in to challenge for European spots

Ancelotti is a good manager - he spent a fortune and came 12th ? But treated like a hero because of his name , same with Lampard yet both achieved nothing.

Rafa was never going to be given a chance because of his connections regardless of what he did - at one stage you were 5th ? After him being given no money to spend and yet boo boys were out.

It’s brutal to say it but a lot of it comes down to unrealistic expectations- the expectation they should be challenging for titles etc yet not done for 30 plus years , and anytime a manager only does mid table etc is the demands for him to be sacked

The club has been poorly run , spent really badly and it’s in a never ending circle of disappointment for the fans that they are at times a part of.

Going to be a hard journey for a couple of years now
 

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It just seems like a never ending downward spiral after Martinez was fired -get a new guy in , he does well but then fired after a run of poor games - it happened to Martinez , Koeman and Silva consecutively and each of them are good managers and if the club had stuck with them could be doing what the likes of Brighton , Brentford and Fulham are doing - getting in to challenge for European spots

Ancelotti is a good manager - he spent a fortune and came 12th ? But treated like a hero because of his name , same with Lampard yet both achieved nothing.

Rafa was never going to be given a chance because of his connections regardless of what he did - at one stage you were 5th ? After him being given no money to spend and yet boo boys were out.

It’s brutal to say it but a lot of it comes down to unrealistic expectations- the expectation they should be challenging for titles etc yet not done for 30 plus years , and anytime a manager only does mid table etc is the demands for him to be sacked

The club has been poorly run , spent really badly and it’s in a never ending circle of disappointment for the fans that they are at times a part of.

Going to be a hard journey for a couple of years now
Fans haven't expected us to challenge for the title for 30 odd years. They want to be entertained, aim for 4-7 place, have a cup run. Only those high on substances have expected a title challenge since the 90's. Silly expectations are not the issue.

The board / owner have made poor decisions, failed to stick to a plan, and have ended up with a disjointed squad put together by 4-5 different managers. An absolute recipe for disaster. They need to pick someone, hold their nerve, and let them build something. I thought it would be Lampard but that didn't work. We need it to be Dyche now.
 

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Fans haven't expected us to challenge for the title for 30 odd years. They want to be entertained, aim for 4-7 place, have a cup run. Only those high on substances have expected a title challenge since the 90's. Silly expectations are not the issue.

The board / owner have made poor decisions, failed to stick to a plan, and have ended up with a disjointed squad put together by 4-5 different managers. An absolute recipe for disaster. They need to pick someone, hold their nerve, and let them build something. I thought it would be Lampard but that didn't work. We need it to be Dyche now.
Entertained and 4-7........?

You've only finished 4th once since premier league was formed and only one manager since Moyes left have bettered the 6th he last got you and that was the following season so could be argued Martinez benefited from the base that was built.

Everton are a big club, but they've been run atrociously for years now. Relegation could be carnage!
 

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Everton are a big club, but they've been run atrociously for years now. Relegation could be carnage!
This is what I was thinking as well. Considering the wage bill and FFP issues, they'll have to get rid of half their players. They could easily be looking at a double drop to League One.
 

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This is what I was thinking as well. Considering the wage bill and FFP issues, they'll have to get rid of half their players. They could easily be looking at a double drop to League One.

I feel like Everton are quite comparable to AVFC in regards to their relegation. (and Burnley at a push but not as "big" a club)

Big club, big fan base but owners who make or break you.

Their only hope really, would be a takeover while down and a proper rebuild. I don't see them managing to achieve this in the premier league. I cant think of many teams that have totally rebuilt whilst maintaining league status.

Hindsight is wonderful, Relegation was the last thing any Villa fan wanted, but I don't think any of us would trade what we've been through to be where we are now. It was probably the best thing to happen to us.

That is - Great owners, solid foundations and plans for the future which look extremely viable and sustainable.

HOWEVER

Sunderland also show the other way it can go..
 

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Entertained and 4-7........?

You've only finished 4th once since premier league was formed and only one manager since Moyes left have bettered the 6th he last got you and that was the following season so could be argued Martinez benefited from the base that was built.

Everton are a big club, but they've been run atrociously for years now. Relegation could be carnage!
4-7 is an achievable target for us, or was. Same as Spurs, Leicester, West Ham last year etc. Basically, best of the rest and if the top boys have an off year, ie Chelsea this season, Utd for the last few, etc then grabbing 4th is a possibility. It doesn't mean we can do it but the team that Moyes built had us in and around that level. We are a long way from that now but that has to be the aim for a club like Everton. We don't have the money to challenge for top 4 consistently but we can challenge in the next group. That we haven't recently is secondary. With Newcastle coming to the fore that probably shifts again but as we have seen with Chelsea and Utd, not right now to be fair, even the biggest have wobble years and it is up to those next layer teams to take advantage when it happens.

If I said 5-8, would that be better? Probably more realistic, not right now of course. 5-8 and be entertained. Brighton for example have done exactly that this year, Aston Villa as well. That has to be our target.
 
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Fans haven't expected us to challenge for the title for 30 odd years. They want to be entertained, aim for 4-7 place, have a cup run. Only those high on substances have expected a title challenge since the 90's. Silly expectations are not the issue.

The board / owner have made poor decisions, failed to stick to a plan, and have ended up with a disjointed squad put together by 4-5 different managers. An absolute recipe for disaster. They need to pick someone, hold their nerve, and let them build something. I thought it would be Lampard but that didn't work. We need it to be Dyche now.


The team will never get to that level if owners keep firing managers after a run of poor games

It happened regularly and also being fed from the fans who were looking for the manager to go

The last manager fans appeared to be ok with was Ancelotti and his best season was 10th , Lampard just said the right things which appeared to get him on the fans side but his tactics etc are shocking.

The club are in dire straits right now , even if they avoided relegation now it might a case of delaying the inevitable

A proper clean slate maybe what’s needed and relegation maybe needed - it’s not a money issue as the club has loaded owners
 

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The team will never get to that level if owners keep firing managers after a run of poor games

It happened regularly and also being fed from the fans who were looking for the manager to go

The last manager fans appeared to be ok with was Ancelotti and his best season was 10th , Lampard just said the right things which appeared to get him on the fans side but his tactics etc are shocking.

The club are in dire straits right now , even if they avoided relegation now it might a case of delaying the inevitable

A proper clean slate maybe what’s needed and relegation maybe needed
Incidentally, Ancelotti came 10th but with a points total of 59, better than Allardyce or others since, and the best total for 4-5 seasons. I wouldn't mind 59 points now.
 

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I feel like Everton are quite comparable to AVFC in regards to their relegation. (and Burnley at a push but not as "big" a club)

Big club, big fan base but owners who make or break you.

Their only hope really, would be a takeover while down and a proper rebuild. I don't see them managing to achieve this in the premier league. I cant think of many teams that have totally rebuilt whilst maintaining league status.

Hindsight is wonderful, Relegation was the last thing any Villa fan wanted, but I don't think any of us would trade what we've been through to be where we are now. It was probably the best thing to happen to us.

That is - Great owners, solid foundations and plans for the future which look extremely viable and sustainable.

HOWEVER

Sunderland also show the other way it can go..


Hey! I’ll have you know, Sunderland are on the rise again! Come on the Mackems
 
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