The Footie Thread

[Billysboots]

As I said, I’ve seen at least half a dozen of those given this season alone. one of them against Forest vs Newcastle.

Maguire was on a yellow already so would have meant United down to 10 men for the majority of the game which could have made a huge difference, as it was, United dominated our threadbare midfield and the rest is history.

Is it too much to ask for consistent officiating in the “best league in the world”?

VAR has explained the decision not to award a penalty was basically because there were three United players in a congested area - in short, arms and legs everywhere.

Hmmmm. Not sure that’s right. I think we got away with one there. Not sure that it would have warranted a yellow, though.

 

[AJNairn]

As I said, I’ve seen at least half a dozen of those given this season alone. one of them against Forest vs Newcastle.

Maguire was on a yellow already so would have meant United down to 10 men for the majority of the game which could have made a huge difference, as it was, United dominated our threadbare midfield and the rest is history.

Is it too much to ask for consistent officiating in the “best league in the world”?

There is consistency! They look at each incident on its own merits! If that results in different decisions for different incidents, then so be it! Also remember that with subjective decisions, on-field explains his decision and VAR only suggests review if it believes there's a 'clear and obvious error'!

 

[RichA]

As I said, I’ve seen at least half a dozen of those given this season alone. one of them against Forest vs Newcastle.

Maguire was on a yellow already so would have meant United down to 10 men for the majority of the game which could have made a huge difference, as it was, United dominated our threadbare midfield and the rest is history.

Is it too much to ask for consistent officiating in the “best league in the world”?

I agree that we've seen them given, but the ball was falling between 3 United players and bounced accidentally off his arm - he couldn't have avoided it.
The one we conceded against Newcastle was also accidental, but he was jumping with his arm raised before he got nudged by the attacker.
23 years ago everyone said Forest had bad luck and were too good to go down. Not so much this time - we defend like under-8s.

 

[Swango1980]

As I said, I’ve seen at least half a dozen of those given this season alone. one of them against Forest vs Newcastle.

Maguire was on a yellow already so would have meant United down to 10 men for the majority of the game which could have made a huge difference, as it was, United dominated our threadbare midfield and the rest is history.

Is it too much to ask for consistent officiating in the “best league in the world”?

Hang on. I get the questions for a penalty, seen them given. But, why a yellow card for something completely unintentional that didn't ultimately disbenefit Forest? Is handball an automatic yellow now?

 

[Billysboots]

In a game where most agree that Harry Maguire seemed to get better as time passed, his stats, if accurate, make for some pretty grim reading.

He conceded possession 13 times, won only 6 of 12 “duals”, and only 1 of 6 attempted long passes found its target.

I know the game is not all about stats, but the above do not reflect a player who is simply low on confidence. They are indicators of one who is simply not good enough.

 

[RichA]

In a game where most agree that Harry Maguire seemed to get better as time passed, his stats, if accurate, make for some pretty grim reading.

He conceded possession 13 times, won only 6 of 12 “duals”, and only 1 of 6 attempted long passes found its target.

I know the game is not all about stats, but the above do not reflect a player who is simply low on confidence. They are indicators of one who is simply not good enough.

He generally looks better when he's kept busy. We didn't really give him that opportunity yesterday.
One of his strengths is defending aerial threats. Forests only threats were rare, on the ground and breaking from defence. He dealt with the most serious one early on by taking a booking for his team. It probably wouldn't have changed the result, but might have kept it interesting for half an hour.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Frank Lampard made a quadruple substitution this week with Fernandez, Fofana, Sterling and Pulisic coming off.
That's £284million worth, probably the most expensive substitution in history .................. and they lost!
Absolutely staggering.

It's a patchwork team put together by the owner though, isn't it? It isn't Potter's team, it isn't Lampard's team. It's a mess that needs thinning out in the summer, oh and an actual striker being bought.

There could be some excellent bargains in the summer for other clubs.

 

[PJ87]

He generally looks better when he's kept busy. We didn't really give him that opportunity yesterday.
One of his strengths is defending aerial threats. Forests only threats were rare, on the ground and breaking from defence. He dealt with the most serious one early on by taking a booking for his team. It probably wouldn't have changed the result, but might have kept it interesting for half an hour.

Perfect west ham defender ..

We will offer £5.50 and a pack of mccoys

Take it or leave it United fans

 

[Billysboots]

Perfect west ham defender ..

We will offer £5.50 and a pack of mccoys

Take it or leave it United fans

Done.

 

[Swango1980]

In a game where most agree that Harry Maguire seemed to get better as time passed, his stats, if accurate, make for some pretty grim reading.

He conceded possession 13 times, won only 6 of 12 “duals”, and only 1 of 6 attempted long passes found its target.

I know the game is not all about stats, but the above do not reflect a player who is simply low on confidence. They are indicators of one who is simply not good enough.

There are different ways to look at things I guess.

Bruno did many excellent things yesterday, yet some of Forest's most dangerous plays came from him. Utd had a comfortable spell of possession, then Bruno played a terrible pass. Suddenly Forest can play one ball on counter, and that led to Maguire's booking.

Bruno also plays some suicide balls from wide into centre of pitch. He gave it away terribly at end of 1st half, another mega dangerous counter. Although Dalot intercepted, a heavy touch presented Forest with a great chance, but was blazed over.

Utd kept a clean sheet away at Forest, and Maguire did plenty of solid defending. But, that matters not as any slight hiccup is pounced upon my all his critics. Yet others get away with murder. It is fair enough that he is not one of the 1st choice centre backs. But, he is a pretty good back up in my opinion. Would be nice if Utd fans stood by him, moaning and groaning every time he touches the ball, or showing no support in the media or social media is doing him or Utd no favours at all

In terms of stats, no idea what the averages are? I guess long balls and clearances are never guaranteed to find possession.

 

[clubchamp98]

VAR has explained the decision not to award a penalty was basically because there were three United players in a congested area - in short, arms and legs everywhere.

Hmmmm. Not sure that’s right. I think we got away with one there. Not sure that it would have warranted a yellow, though.

I thought his upper arm was ok but his lower arm was out.
would be harsh imo.
but as said several have been given.
VAR is just a lottery .

 

[PJ87]

I thought his upper arm was ok but his lower arm was out.
would be harsh imo.
but as said several have been given.
VAR is just a lottery .

My understanding is var is for clear and obviously errors

We had one given against us yesterday, even if he hadn't awarded the pen I doubt var would call him over as it's subjective, we moved away from it touches the hand 100% pen

It's only if the ref said no pen but the defender pulled off a full keeper style save that they will go right have a look you missed it and made an error

 

[Bdill93]

ASTON VILLA

That is all

 

[Aztecs27]

ASTON VILLA

That is all

You’ve become annoyingly likeable under Emry. I hope you push on for a European place.

Whilst we are stuck with Gerrard in the championship

 

[clubchamp98]

My understanding is var is for clear and obviously errors

We had one given against us yesterday, even if he hadn't awarded the pen I doubt var would call him over as it's subjective, we moved away from it touches the hand 100% pen

It's only if the ref said no pen but the defender pulled off a full keeper style save that they will go right have a look you missed it and made an error

Yes I see that.
But VAR has a different ref every week that’s why decisions are different for very similar incidents.
One that’s given against you one week you don’t get the week after.
Fans just want consistency but refs seem to see it differently every week, so still human error.
But they have unlimited views and angles.
But for me the handball rule is the problem, it’s a mess.


Just because as has been stated “ three Utd players and no Forest players dosnt mean it’s not handball”

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I thought his upper arm was ok but his lower arm was out.
would be harsh imo.
but as said several have been given.
VAR is just a lottery .

I think the standard if reffing is a lottery... We all remember a few weeks back when rashford was miles off side, essentially shielded the ball while the other attacker popped the ball in the back of the net.

Yet yesterday I saw 2 absolutely clear instances where players made absolutely no attempt for the ball yet were flagged and given offside.

It makes football a tough watch when you don't know how each incident is going to be treated.

 

[Bdill93]

You’ve become annoyingly likeable under Emry. I hope you push on for a European place.

Whilst we are stuck with Gerrard in the championship

Oh me too!!!!!

And I hope you avoid Gerrard like the plague, blokes inept

 

[Tashyboy]

It's a patchwork team put together by the owner though, isn't it? It isn't Potter's team, it isn't Lampard's team. It's a mess that needs thinning out in the summer, oh and an actual striker being bought.

There could be some excellent bargains in the summer for other clubs.

I think it also indicates money don’t automatically buy success. I look at Forest and Chelsea and see the same problems. Loads of players brought in but did the managers want them all. Seems very much a case of putting square pegs in round holes. Yet Chelsea are still being linked with big team managers and players in the summer. Whoever comes into Chelsea needs to do exactly what Ten Haag has done at Utd. They need to do it their way. Then let them be judged.

Just outta interest I wonder what the thoughts in Europe and worldwide would be not seeing possibly Chelsea and Liverpool out of Europe next season.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

I think it also indicates money don’t automatically buy success. I look at Forest and Chelsea and see the same problems. Loads of players brought in but did the managers want them all. Seems very much a case of putting square pegs in round holes. Yet Chelsea are still being linked with big team managers and players in the summer. Whoever comes into Chelsea needs to do exactly what Ten Haag has done at Utd. They need to do it their way. Then let them be judged.

Just outta interest I wonder what the thoughts in Europe and worldwide would be not seeing possibly Chelsea and Liverpool out of Europe next season.

Chelsea have enormous issues with players on massive longterm contracts and having too many players to be registered in their squad.

No European football for Chelsea may be a blessing with regards to this issue.

No European football for Liverpool will probably be a bigger issue financially but may be an advantage with fewer games and more training whilst rebuilding their squad.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Oh me too!!!!!

And I hope you avoid Gerrard like the plague, blokes inept

Rangers fans would disagree no doubt.

i thought Gerrard jumped too early in his management career into PL management. As Lampard has shown its not as easy as it looks.

I think he would suit Forest's style of football, underdogs/counter attacking style.

Emery is doing a fabulous job at Villa though. I thought he was unfairly treated and hounded out of Arsenal.