Pin-seeker
Well-known member
City will definitely win the league.
Swango1980
Well-known member
You can guarantee that if I triple captain a player on a double game week, they'll go.of injured before the second half of first game 
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Somebody help me here. Trossard really reminds me of an ex villa midfielder. Same weird dark circles under his eyes - looks ill. Is that description helping?! Name on the tip of my tongue...
Flipping heck that worked - Hendry...googles...Lee Hendrie.
Maybe I should start typing things that escape my mind on here more often (post count would rise)!
Pointless post of the week award but not deleting it
Flipping heck that worked - Hendry...googles...Lee Hendrie.
Maybe I should start typing things that escape my mind on here more often (post count would rise)!
Pointless post of the week award but not deleting it
doublebogey7
Head Pro
How do you know what the player said, a lot of assumptions made about that incident on this thread. Unless you were the ref you can't know what was heard.
Like you though I wish FIFA would back referees in giving cards out whenever players do this. Only the captain should be allowed to approach the referee.
I think the first line is stretching things but i agree with the rest. Sticky is a very good description. Didn't work though
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
No really I have been on the pitch it really is very good.I think the first line is stretching things but i agree with the rest. Sticky is a very good description. Didn't work though
how you can tell it’s not been watered watch Rashford and Bruno Fernandez try to slide on their knees after Rashford goal.
they can’t slide so stand up again.
Swango1980
Well-known member
You are correct, I do not know.
However, allegedly the ref in the Wolves game simply booked the 3rd player who approached him. The booking was immediate, and apparently it wasn't to do with what the player said. Today, it looked very similar. There didn't appear to be a huge amount of anger in the player (to the point of shouting and swearing), and ref simply looked quick to book him.
It is why it would he interesting to see refs report. Did they say something untoward, or were refs urged to feel more free to book any player approaching them?
Given the appauling performances by refs this weekend, I wouldn't feel confident that they'd be able to apply this with any consistency whatsoever. They'd probably happily book a player who politely explains he won the ball after decision goes against him, whilst not booking a player that runs 40 yards to tell ref to "f off".
doublebogey7
Head Pro
So you admit to not knowing what was said, but then you go on to make further accusations without evidence against the referee.
I find these discussions really frustrating to read as all I hear is all refs are crap. No one offering solutions and everyone forgetting these people are just human beings and therefore subject to making mistakes, especially when under pressure.
I offer up an idea to offer referees some help, and all I get is well they still can't be trusted to get it right. So have you any idea's how it might be improved.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I didn't make accusations. I made an evaluation on incidents that happened this weekend, and what appears to have happened from my perspective. This was explained by a player who happened to be on the pitch, and had the referee explain what the yellow card was for (Wolves game). In the game today, it seemed very similar.
What makes you feel you can defend a referee, when you have no idea what was said or not said?
We have all watched enough games to know what an aggressive player approaching the ref looks like. Today, it looked nothing like that. I'd be very surprised if he crossed a line that others have (with no action). However, I have been very open that I'm not 100%, hence it would be interesting to get it directly from the ref.
After the last few weeks, and especially this weekend, it is very difficult to defend the referees. I have in the past over certain incidents. But, when refs in VAR draw lines on the wrong players for offside, send players off in 1st half for what appear to be non events (I think Wolves fans would deserve to know what the second yellow was for?), ignore challenges that put a player out for months, yet send a player off for holding someones collar in a non-aggressive way, then it is difficult to jump to their defence.
Some are worse than others. Lee Mason is an absolute disaster of an official.
I have already made suggestions in past. If there were 2 officials in VAR studio, I think that would help. Firstly, you'd have 2 pairs of eyes instead of one. Secondly, if they are both convinced a review is needed, fair enough. But, if one has doubt, that could be enough for them to determine it isn't clear and obvious, this not putting on field ref on the spot in front of the world. Otherwise, you have one guy in VAR who subjectively thinks there was a mistake, alerts ref, and then that ref is under pressure to change his mind, even if not convinced.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Yes I have one.
This harassing the ref needs to stop.
so tell all the clubs officially as from “X” date any player harassing the ref in this manner will be booked.
let the captain put any complaints to the ref.
but be consistent with it.
but it has to be said refs atm are not helping things by keeping quiet when obvious errors are taking place weekly.
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MiurasFan
Blackballed
It did seem to me, that he 'bought it' somewhat. Didn't seem to be in the expected rush to control the ball and take a shot then went down pretty tamely. I'm pretty certain he'd have scored if he hadn't been impaired.
I'd like to see more cards given for players who harangue refs! I think there's some sort of logic for who to card too - either the one that starts the haranguing or the most aggressive one. Simulation is another of the Bees in my bonnet too, but often harder to be certain of!
Swango1980
Well-known member
Did you actually see the Grealish incident? He was running away from goal, left side of box. I'm not sure what you mean by being certain he would have scored if he hadn't been impaired.
The defender hit his leg, which threw it into his other leg, and down he went. No one is staying on their feet after that, unless they can defeat physics.
I'm all for referees booking aggressive players. However, I also feel players should at least be able to have a chat with a referee. It is clear referees make mistakes, terrible mistakes at times. Referees actually get more respect when you see them engaging with players in a calm and professional manner. If it comes to a point were a ref just gives a yellow to players daring to discuss something with them, it will appear pretty. It will appear refs are free from accountability, and when they make mistakes, it will look like players and fans are confused as to how they ever come up with a decision. So, players should be able to chat to refs. Sure, if they are swearing at him, absolutely give a booking. I'd still like a ref microphone so we can all understand why a decision was made. Watched Ireland v France rugby at weekend. Ref gave France player a yellow card. It looked like it could easily be a red. However, we heard everything the ref said, his conversation with VAR, and so ultimately I think fans accepted the decision for what it was much easier.
MiurasFan
Blackballed
Yes, I did see it! But he was almost certainly going to have a 1 on 1 with the keeper had he not been fouled (or 'drawn the foul'). These guys discuss it https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...hat-roy-keane-he-fell-over-like-norman-wisdom
HomecountiesJohn
Well-known member
I'd like Keane and co to call it for what it is, cheating.
Calling it smart just encourages the rest to carry on cheating.
MiurasFan
Blackballed
He was definitely fouled, so not cheating! 'Bought the foul' might be appropriate though
Swango1980
Well-known member
I am gobsmacked you think he would have been 1 on 1 with keeper if he hadn't gone down. Truly gobsmacked. Given ge was running towards the edge of the box, with a pretty crowded penalty area in the middle as well.
MiurasFan
Blackballed
That's not what I posted!
HomecountiesJohn
Well-known member
If he was clipped on the halfway line he would've stayed on his feet, in the box he's thrown himself to the deck. We see it often with Centre Forwards who are big and strong sheilding a ball out in their own box for a goal kick then turn into Mr Soft in the opposition box.
Dress it however you want, for me its cheating.
