The Footie Thread

[Jensen]

Only saw a bit of the game.
How did Mudryk do? I see he got taken off and hardly touched the ball when I was watching.

He was the reason I watched after seeing him come on at Anfield. Didn’t really get involved and looked lost which was surprising.
Based on what I saw on MOTD at Anfield, I’m looking forward to watching him.
Credit must be given to Fulham, they were impressive.
Anyway Gooner, as a Yid my hope is for us to get rid of Conte

 

[fundy]

Only saw a bit of the game.
How did Mudryk do? I see he got taken off and hardly touched the ball when I was watching.

Far easier to accept hes a decent player Pat, he'll do fine at Chelsea once settled, one that got away for us albeit at a price

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Your statement opened up with:

"I blame the parents for how children/young men behave in society"

I know you were not talking about every individual case, but I assume you are confident about your statement in a general sense. You blame the parents. If you are happy to post such an opinion on a public forum, absolutely fair enough. It is your opinion, and that is what you believe. But, no need to get personal if someone challenges your opinion. I was simply saying that I don't agree with that general comment, that's all.

Everyone knows that some kids have awful parents, and never stand a chance. Other have absent parents, and are more easily influenced from others. But, to simply say you blame the parents, for me, is a statement that doesn't make much sense. Are parents of today worse than parents 20, 30 40 years ago? Or, have parents always been the problem?

Besides, blaming parents for what the bad eggs to in society is a general statement that probably needs a separate thread. In Greenwoods individual case, we've no idea what his parents are like (or do we?). So such a general assumption may be completely inappropriate to this discussion. We do know that he has become worshipped by many fans when he has been a teenager, long before that he probably had a good idea that football was his destiny, and he has earned more money in a few weeks as a teenager than many will earn in a life time. So, assuming he is as bad as most of us believe, there are plenty of potential causes for his behaviour. For example, I wonder how well Manchester United, the club, looked after its young players? Arguably, people working in the club would become a bigger role model, or just as important, as his parents. Did he have great teachers at school who really managed to shape him into a fine young man, or did he have different experiences at school, with him knowing that there was no real pressure to do well with his education?

Do you have Kids?

Your statement opened up with:

"I blame the parents for how children/young men behave in society"

I know you were not talking about every individual case, but I assume you are confident about your statement in a general sense. You blame the parents. If you are happy to post such an opinion on a public forum, absolutely fair enough. It is your opinion, and that is what you believe. But, no need to get personal if someone challenges your opinion. I was simply saying that I don't agree with that general comment, that's all.

Everyone knows that some kids have awful parents, and never stand a chance. Other have absent parents, and are more easily influenced from others. But, to simply say you blame the parents, for me, is a statement that doesn't make much sense. Are parents of today worse than parents 20, 30 40 years ago? Or, have parents always been the problem?

Besides, blaming parents for what the bad eggs to in society is a general statement that probably needs a separate thread. In Greenwoods individual case, we've no idea what his parents are like (or do we?). So such a general assumption may be completely inappropriate to this discussion. We do know that he has become worshipped by many fans when he has been a teenager, long before that he probably had a good idea that football was his destiny, and he has earned more money in a few weeks as a teenager than many will earn in a life time. So, assuming he is as bad as most of us believe, there are plenty of potential causes for his behaviour. For example, I wonder how well Manchester United, the club, looked after its young players? Arguably, people working in the club would become a bigger role model, or just as important, as his parents. Did he have great teachers at school who really managed to shape him into a fine young man, or did he have different experiences at school, with him knowing that there was no real pressure to do well with his education?

Absolutely and I stand by it.

Who else is to blame for their behaviour??

Challenge it all you want, i don’t really care. Your child will only behave how you do. Period.

I remember when my daughter was 3 and she repeated a swear word from her grandfather and I was mortified.

These days, it’s everybody else’s fault why poor little Freddie is a little swine.

Own your children and educate them, problem is there’s too many uneducated waifs and strays these days that they don’t care about their children.

Are parents of today worse than parents 20, 30 40 years ago?

Yes and it shows in society up and down the country.

Although these days they have an excuse of ADHD/Autism/Learning difficulties……

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Apologies for taking the thread off topic, it wasn’t intentional.

 

[paddyc]

Far easier to accept hes a decent player Pat, he'll do fine at Chelsea once settled, one that got away for us albeit at a price

I hope he does well. Big price tag for such a young player. Gutted we didn't get him.
I think with so many new players it's going to take Potter some time to work out his best team and a system that wins games. Lack of recognised goalscorer a problem. Not going to make top 4 so no CL next season would be a worry after spending a fortune

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

You’re basically blaming parents for how Young adults behave, you could be the best or worst parents in the world but they don’t make that decision when you do something wrong, they do.
It’s such a sweeping generalisation that it is absolutely garbage.

Absolutely. I stand by it too. Children learn from their immediate family,

Its upto parents to educate their children, boys or girls, about how to respect partners in relationships.

How else would you recommend to educate them? The Viz or Playboy?

I’ll sleep well knowing I’ve educated my children correctly.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

What has happened to Chelsea?? Too many players too soon?

 

[Tashyboy]

Absolutely. I stand by it too. Children learn from their immediate family,

Its upto parents to educate their children, boys or girls, about how to respect partners in relationships.

How else would you recommend to educate them? The Viz or Playboy?

I’ll sleep well knowing I’ve educated my children correctly.

When we adopted our youngest, we were informed of a saying “ nature over nurture”. basically your kids come from your nature and you try to nurture them. Now hypothetically your kids are a younger mirror of yourself growing up. And you’re a good parent they should be ok. Now when you adopt, they are not of your nature, They may come from Birth parents who are from the wrong side of town, they have bad DNA. But you are good adoptive parents. They are nurtured well. There becomes a battle of “nature over nuture”. Sometimes the good guys don’t win.
I have three kids,
one is a female sarge in south yours police.
one is a class one lorry driver.
one I have not seen in over three years coz she disagreed with me telling her that I thought drugs in a house is not acceptable in front of a 2 yr old kid. That’s only scratching the surface. She is the one that was adopted. She was brought up exactly the same as the other two. So why is she different.
There are many other factors as to why kids, adults, and Mason Greenwood turn out to be a twazzock. Blaming parents who in some cases have moved heaven and earth to educate there kids is “Not a one shoe fits all”.

Getting it back onto a footie thread, they all support Man City

 

[Billysboots]

Absolutely and I stand by it.

Who else is to blame for their behaviour??

Challenge it all you want, i don’t really care. Your child will only behave how you do. Period.

So your kids don’t have friends? Fellow pupils/peers at school? Teachers? Aunts, uncles, cousins? Watch television? Play team sports? Have part time jobs as they get older? Read books?

Are you really so breathtakingly naive that you don’t think their behaviour is impacted upon by influences beyond the home?

Rarely have I read such blinkered gibberish. Sorry. Parents can only take their children so far before other external factors have a significant impact on their development.

 

[Hobbit]

 

[Swango1980]

Do you have Kids?


Absolutely and I stand by it.

Who else is to blame for their behaviour??

Challenge it all you want, i don’t really care. Your child will only behave how you do. Period.

I remember when my daughter was 3 and she repeated a swear word from her grandfather and I was mortified.

These days, it’s everybody else’s fault why poor little Freddie is a little swine.

Own your children and educate them, problem is there’s too many uneducated waifs and strays these days that they don’t care about their children.

Thank you for clarifying to us all how wrong you actually are.

Initially, I tried to at least give you the benefit of the doubt, and thought your wording was careless.

And, back to football. I felt when the Chelsea game began, there seemed to be a buzz in the stadium. Maybe excitement about all those expensive players thet bought. Not long after, that evaporated. 11 strangers running about a field.

Don't get me wrong, thet may well become irresistible. But, it'll be a difficult task for Potter, finding what works and keeping players happy.

Reminds my of when Man Utd spend big in recent years, excitement and then despair.

 

[Swango1980]

Given all these Chelsea signings, how do people think Raheem Sterling fits into the equation. In the summer, seemed like it was a big move for Chelsea to get a first team player. Is he now a bit part player?

Whatever the case, his England spot is safe.

 

[clubchamp98]

Apologies for taking the thread off topic, it wasn’t intentional.

So you think Parents use Autisim as an excuse for bad behaviour.
that’s crass and extremely insulting imo.
my granddaughter is autistic and belive me her behaviour can be very strange at times.
but my son never makes excuses for her ,she is what she is.

 

[Tashyboy]

So your kids don’t have friends? Fellow pupils/peers at school? Teachers? Aunts, uncles, cousins? Watch television? Play team sports? Have part time jobs as they get older? Read books?

Are you really so breathtakingly naive that you don’t think their behaviour is impacted upon by influences beyond the home?

Rarely have I read such blinkered gibberish. Sorry. Parents can only take their children so far before other external factors have a significant impact on their development.

One thing you did miss Billy On what is a long list. Social media and social media “ influencers “ people who have followers that they can influence. If they’re not influencing they’re not doing their job. Remember the discussion we had the other week re influencers selling ” prime” drink for £2 a bottle.

 

[clubchamp98]

When we adopted our youngest, we were informed of a saying “ nature over nurture”. basically your kids come from your nature and you try to nurture them. Now hypothetically your kids are a younger mirror of yourself growing up. And you’re a good parent they should be ok. Now when you adopt, they are not of your nature, They may come from Birth parents who are from the wrong side of town, they have bad DNA. But you are good adoptive parents. They are nurtured well. There becomes a battle of “nature over nuture”. Sometimes the good guys don’t win.
I have three kids,
one is a female sarge in south yours police.
one is a class one lorry driver.
one I have not seen in over three years coz she disagreed with me telling her that I thought drugs in a house is not acceptable in front of a 2 yr old kid. That’s only scratching the surface. She is the one that was adopted. She was brought up exactly the same as the other two. So why is she different.
There are many other factors as to why kids, adults, and Mason Greenwood turn out to be a twazzock. Blaming parents who in some cases have moved heaven and earth to educate there kids is “Not a one shoe fits all”.

Getting it back onto a footie thread, they all support Man City

Can only blame the parents for them being City fans

 

[Tashyboy]

Given all these Chelsea signings, how do people think Raheem Sterling fits into the equation. In the summer, seemed like it was a big move for Chelsea to get a first team player. Is he now a bit part player?

Whatever the case, his England spot is safe.

I think Chelsea could have a few months of turmoil. If they have signed the quality players they think they are then they should be ok for a challenge for next seasons champs league top four spot. But where does that leave players like aubamayang and Sterling to name but a few. Could be a few players on the way out at the end of the season.

 

[Tashyboy]

Given all these Chelsea signings, how do people think Raheem Sterling fits into the equation. In the summer, seemed like it was a big move for Chelsea to get a first team player. Is he now a bit part player?

Whatever the case, his England spot is safe.

I think Chelsea could have a few months of turmoil. If they have signed the quality players they think they are then they should be ok for a challenge for next seasons champs league top four spot. But where does that leave players like aubamayang and Sterling to name but a few. Could be a few players on the way out at the end of the season.

Can only blame the parents for them being City fans

Guilty as charged your honour, although I blame there Grandad for being a City fan and passing it onto Tash.

 

[Tashyboy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...xemptions-Premier-Leagues-spending-rules.html
thought they were on about Citys spending

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Anyone know where you can rent a squirrel?

 

[Swango1980]

Missed 1st half, but sounds like Everton have played very well so far