Seriously, though, the inconsistency didn’t even warrant a mention in commentary. Not a word was said. It was just accepted that Adams was offside.
clubchamp98
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Brilliant from Saints probably could not have gone better.
Said before you need to go at City .
Said before you need to go at City .
clubchamp98
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That’s because he was as was Salah.
But the header was a deliberate attempt and the City one was a deflection.
Although I would say is trying to block the ball an attempt to play it. I would say yes it is.
The rule is pathetic
clubchamp98
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Yes this your not allowed to score against City
Suprized they never found a reason to disallow the other two.
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Brilliant. Just got back from watching Avatar. Ave I missed owt whilst Ave been out for 4 hours ?
Aztecs27
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Morgan Gibbs-White has rattled the entire Wolves fanbase, it appears. Gave him abuse all night, then his celebration after scoring his penalty has their Twitter in meltdown ?
SaintHacker
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I haven't seen the Salah one so can't comment but Adams was offside when the the ball was put in, long before it hit the citeh defender
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I recall back when Dalglish was in his prime there were quite loud calls from some for him to be dropped from the Scotland team as he was seen by some as wasteful, continually giving the ball away…yup…simply the rest of the team weren’t on the same wavelength as him, and were either not able or were not being asked to play off Dalglish in the way of his teammates at Liverpool…and because of that at times he could look pretty awful.If he played for Tenerife, his records would be unbelievable. He'd probably score about 10 goals a game
Top players like Messi would stand out as being unbelievable, no matter who they play for. Sure, his scoring records would be nowhere near as good if he played for Burnley or Southampton as opposed to Barcelona. But, he would still have stood out as being unbelievable. And I imagine that there are plenty of examples in the past where more average or poor sides have had players that have stood out a mile as being fantastic (e.g. from memory, Okacha at Bolton, Di Canio at West Ham, etc)
But, it depends on the type of player, what your skill sets are and how the team play that you play with. If Andy Robertson played for a weak side, he wouldn't necessarily come across as an average or poor defender, unless the defence as a whole is horrific and they bring him down to their level. He may well come across as a good and capable defender. But, they may play a system that we never really see how good he is at supporting the attack, and so nobody could really throw in the argument "he is wonderful at getting assists". He could be spending 70% of the game defending his own box. The point is, he plays for Liverpool, who play in such a way that get the most of his attacking attributes, and they can be used to praise his ability much more clearly.
For some players, it may also work in reverse, where they may perform better at "weaker" sides. I'm thinking Wan Bissaka who is a good defender, and plays well when that is pretty much all he needs to do. Yet when he needs to attack, and defend the counter-attack, he struggles. I guess there are plenty of goalkeepers who shine in weaker sides, when they've a lot of saves to make, yet they somehow can't meet the level of playing for one of the top sides, when they may only have 1 or 2 saves to make a match, and it is more about playing with your feet and having better concentration levels.
But I forgive him anything and everything wasteful in a Scotland shirt for what he gave…the collect, drag, turn and precision goal against Belgium; the flicked header off the Martin Buchan cross at Anfield; and at Hampden spotting that the gap between Ray Clemence’s legs presented a hole as wide as the Mersey Tunnel…and I count myself privileged to have ‘been there’ for both of the latter two ???????????????
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So was Salah.
Swango1980
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That was exactly why Billyboots asked the question. Salah was also a mile offside when ball was crossed to him.
I renber thinking same as Billy when I saw it last night. I believe the answer is that in Salah incident, defender deliberately tried to head ball. In City game, it seemed to be deflected off defender. However, I didn't see it again, but even if it deflected off defender, surely the defender deliberately tried to block cross, and therefore deliberately played ball, albeit they were not in control of where it went after than? Similar to defender in Salah incident. He tried to block cross, but was never fully in control of outcome, thus his header dropped to Salah.
Garbage rule. I wish commentators used last nights incident to compare the two.
Slime
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Unfortunately I was out last night, playing bad snooker, but the footy was on.
It looked a solid result with a couple of very good goals.
However, the squirrels don't venture out for the noisy neighbours!
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It’s down to the very random interpretation of “deliberate attempt” to play the ball - and as we all know it’s always clear to clarify what’s deliberate or not ?
Orikoru
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It's a prime example of why people moan that the rule-makers have never played the game. Anyone who has played would know that you're never, ever just going to leave a through ball because you think the forward is offside. You just can't take that risk because someone else might be playing him onside that you've not seen. You're always going to make some attempt to cut it out, and just because it flicks off your head that shouldn't cancel out the fact the forward was in an offside position. It makes no sense, and as you say, is total garbage now.
Swango1980
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I'm unsure that is the reason why the rules are so bad, the rule makers haven't played the game. I'm assuming none of us have played the game to elite standard, but we've possibly mostly played the game in some capacity. With mates, school, Saturday or Sunday league. Whichever, we all agree, I think, the rule is garbage.
In terms of the rule makers, we may never have heard of them playing the game at elite level. But, I'm sure they have played the game like the rest of us. They have a job in football, so it is a sport that must interest them, and therefore played when they were younger. They've still come up with these messy offside and handball rules.
Maybe there are too many cooks coming up with the final rules. If one, or a small group of reasonably intelligent people came up with rules, they would be pretty solid. But, when you have many opinions flying around, including the introduction of VAR and opinions around that, they end up in a bit of a mess. They are maybe written so that, in a case that have a minuscule chance of happening, the current rule might fit it quite well. But, they fail to see that the current rule is a disaster for an event that could occur much more frequently.
Orikoru
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Just to clarify, I think they should still have enough common sense to make proper rules despite having not played the game (but apparently they don't). But all I meant was it's a good example why people say that! It's in trying to understand how they get it so badly wrong. It certainly seems like you'd have to have never played football in your life, even at school, to think that was a sensible rule.
Agreed Phil.
The issue for me is that surely a defender’s primary responsibility is to prevent the opposition scoring so, in all honesty, it really shouldn’t matter whether the attempt to make contact with the ball can be interpreted as deliberate or not.
The City defender last night wasn’t in a position to put a tackle in, so his only other option was to block a shot or cross. He placed himself there solely for that purpose and, as such, when the ball struck him it must follow that he played it deliberately, regardless of whether he could actually react to it. If he did have time to react he would hardly have leapt out of the way!
If Salah’s goal was allowed to stand, so should Adams’. The rule is farcical.
clubchamp98
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Neither should have imo.
your offside when the ball is played ,simple as that.
Either both to stand or neither, as long as there is consistency.
Swango1980
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I suspect that phrase comes from ex-footballer pundits. In a desperate bid to make everyone believe they are 100% correct, and suspecting they are getting some resistance from, say, a presenter, they use the "played the game" argument as a means to shut down all debate. A "polite" way of saying "I am right as I've played the game, and therefore you are wrong". Graeme Sourness is a prime example. He can talk some absolute garbage at times (his strong opinions against Casemiro for example), but then throws the comment "I played the game" or "I played in that position" as a means to make us all think he is making a correct assessment.
