The all things EV chat thread

[road2ruin]

"EV's are too expensive for the working man!!"
Was certainly true but is that any different for new technology, think about how much a new TV was back in the day or a Discern, the first iterations were average and very expensive!

Anyway, looking at lease deals and you can now pick up a brand new Leapmotor C10 Estate, 260 mile range family SUV thing for £128pm with an initial payment of £1,530. Prices are definitely reaching a point where the cost argument is becoming less and less relevant.

https://leasing.com/main-dealers/leap-motor-uk-birmingham-north/leapmotor/c10/L0107250000000010009

 

[Deleted member 35927]

"EV's are too expensive for the working man!!"
Was certainly true but is that any different for new technology, think about how much a new TV was back in the day or a Discern, the first iterations were average and very expensive!

Anyway, looking at lease deals and you can now pick up a brand new Leapmotor C10 Estate, 260 mile range family SUV thing for £128pm with an initial payment of £1,530. Prices are definitely reaching a point where the cost argument is becoming less and less relevant.

https://leasing.com/main-dealers/leap-motor-uk-birmingham-north/leapmotor/c10/L0107250000000010009

Was thinking this the other day, I can remember a friend paying over 4k for a plasma Tele these days you can get an oled for a few hundred.
Also some amazing deals in the used car market these days too

 

[KenL]

"EV's are too expensive for the working man!!"
Was certainly true but is that any different for new technology, think about how much a new TV was back in the day or a Discern, the first iterations were average and very expensive!

Anyway, looking at lease deals and you can now pick up a brand new Leapmotor C10 Estate, 260 mile range family SUV thing for £128pm with an initial payment of £1,530. Prices are definitely reaching a point where the cost argument is becoming less and less relevant.

https://leasing.com/main-dealers/leap-motor-uk-birmingham-north/leapmotor/c10/L0107250000000010009

Oh my eyes!

 

[RichA]

When the grant kicks in Renault 5 and Renault 4 should start at £19.5k and £23.5k.
Well reviewed and quite tempting as a private cash buyer.

 

[Pants]

https://leasing.com/main-dealers/leap-motor-uk-birmingham-north/leapmotor/c10/L0107250000000010009

They could pay me £128 p/m and I still wouldn't want to be seen in that

 

[road2ruin]

They could pay me £128 p/m and I still wouldn't want to be seen in that

No, it's not the best looking motor in the world however if you're only interested in cars as a form of transport it's proof that an EV is affordable and not out of 'normal' people's reach.

In terms of looks, I've just agreed a finance deal on an Ioniq 9 Calligraphy which I would imagine will be a marmite type car.

 

[BubbaP]

..

In terms of looks, I've just agreed a finance deal on an Ioniq 9 Calligraphy which I would imagine will be a marmite type car.

Looks like plenty of room for golf stuff

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Looks like plenty of room for golf stuff

Driven a couple, huge monster of a vehicle, basically an electrified Santa Fe and then some
But it drives really nicely, and you could probably fit Heathrow Airport in the boot.

 

[road2ruin]

Driven a couple, huge monster of a vehicle, basically an electrified Santa Fe and then some
But it drives really nicely, and you could probably fit Heathrow Airport in the boot.

You’ve driven the Ioniq 9?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

You’ve driven the Ioniq 9?

Yup
We deliver the cars to the journalists who do the reviews on them

 

[road2ruin]

Yup
We deliver the cars to the journalists who do the reviews on them

What did you think? I’d be interested to know your thoughts on the size as my only doubt is whether it is verging on too big. Whilst I have put my deposit down it is on the understanding that I am not signing anything until I’ve had the demonstrator for a couple of hours which they don’t get until early August.

 

[Imurg]

Yup
We deliver the cars to the journalists who do the reviews on them

Was that the hulking great thing sat on your drive the other day?
Thought you'd bought a motor home

 

[PhilTheFragger]

What did you think? I’d be interested to know your thoughts on the size as my only doubt is whether it is verging on too big. Whilst I have put my deposit down it is on the understanding that I am not signing anything until I’ve had the demonstrator for a couple of hours which they don’t get until early August.

PM sent,

 

[Mudball]

"EV's are too expensive for the working man!!"
Was certainly true but is that any different for new technology, think about how much a new TV was back in the day or a Discern, the first iterations were average and very expensive!

Anyway, looking at lease deals and you can now pick up a brand new Leapmotor C10 Estate, 260 mile range family SUV thing for £128pm with an initial payment of £1,530. Prices are definitely reaching a point where the cost argument is becoming less and less relevant.

https://leasing.com/main-dealers/leap-motor-uk-birmingham-north/leapmotor/c10/L0107250000000010009

Cars are getting cheaper... but charging is not. Just did a tour of the Lake district and public charging.
Did about 750 miles over 4 days.... Did public charging mostly high speed Grid serve in services... 4 stops.. total £75.
Luckily the hotel had a 7Kwh chargers for overnight charging with Electrovers - £51... So a total of 750 miles of SUV at £125.

During non-holiday period, I charge at home.. so not very expenisve to run. High speed charging needs to get cheaper and more prevalent..

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Cars are getting cheaper... but charging is not. Just did a tour of the Lake district and public charging.
Did about 750 miles over 4 days.... Did public charging mostly high speed Grid serve in services... 4 stops.. total £75.
Luckily the hotel had a 7Kwh chargers for overnight charging with Electrovers - £51... So a total of 750 miles of SUV at £125.

During non-holiday period, I charge at home.. so not very expenisve to run. High speed charging needs to get cheaper and more prevalent..

Ouch. Is that the petrol / diesel equivalent of using a service station to fill up at? I worked out that my car, 2.0d Merc B, would have used £75 of fuel for that trip based on filling up at a normal fuel station.

Are the fast chargers always that expensive?

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Ouch. Is that the petrol / diesel equivalent of using a service station to fill up at? I worked out that my car, 2.0d Merc B, would have used £75 of fuel for that trip based on filling up at a normal fuel station.

Are the fast chargers always that expensive?

Mixed bag, you can use Tesla for about 50p per kwh. Destination chargers are becoming more common. Doesnt help that you pay vat on public charging.
I Get 8% off if I use my electroverse card. Overall I'm unlikely to spend more than a few hundred quid on fuel this year and I'll do about 12000 miles.
The home charging costs still massively offset the few public stops I make.

 

[jim8flog]

Ouch. Is that the petrol / diesel equivalent of using a service station to fill up at? I worked out that my car, 2.0d Merc B, would have used £75 of fuel for that trip based on filling up at a normal fuel station.

Are the fast chargers always that expensive?

Basically yes .

The one I used today charged 80p per KW and it works out pretty much the same as buying petrol for the same mileage. The place did have 22kw chargers but they did not take a credit/debit card and could only be use by phone app.


I only use public charging on rare occasions so it is a cost I put up with.

 

[cliveb]

The one I used today charged 80p per KW and it works out pretty much the same as buying petrol for the same mileage. The place did have 22kw chargers but they did not take a credit/debit card and could only be use by phone app.

Hang on a sec. A typical EV does about 3.5 miles/kWh, so 80p per kWh works out at about 22p/mile.
What modern ICE car costs that much for fuel? A Ferrari, perhaps?

I've said it before: an EV only makes economic sense if you can charge at home for the overwhelming majority of your mileage.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Hang on a sec. A typical EV does about 3.5 miles/kWh, so 80p per kWh works out at about 22p/mile.
What modern ICE car costs that much for fuel? A Ferrari, perhaps?

I've said it before: an EV only makes economic sense if you can charge at home for the overwhelming majority of your mileage.

Cheaper options are available. Much cheaper.

 

[jim8flog]

Hang on a sec. A typical EV does about 3.5 miles/kWh, so 80p per kWh works out at about 22p/mile.
What modern ICE car costs that much for fuel? A Ferrari, perhaps?

I've said it before: an EV only makes economic sense if you can charge at home for the overwhelming majority of your mileage.

My comments were based upon my limited experience of using public chargers on the two long runs I have done . Both high speed long distance motorway duel carriage journeys and comparing to what I used to pay for petrol for the same journey against what I paid for leccy.

The one I used today was the most expensive I have seen but it is a bit like comparing the cost of fuel in the local Tesco's against the price in a Shell garage on a motorway service station. This was my first use of a public charger since Xmas 2023


I have no idea what my car does re miles per KWh simply because I only do around £6k miles a year and would not be bothered to work it out and this was my first use of a public charger since Xmas 2023. My previous ICE car did about 30mpg on that run.