The all things EV chat thread

[Deleted member 35927]

Chicken and egg - cost to own is high so demand won’t be there , manufacturers are still selling a lot of EVs but they aren’t cheap

It’s not cheap to build them and to manufacture the batteries

Do you even know how much an EV costs, what do you drive at the moment ?

 

[Neilds]

Tons of bargains to be had In the used area, now that we are a while down the EV road. Some real bargains out there, people just need to get past the nonsense and myths spouted by sections of the media.
Those prices won't be around for ever, once people realise what a deal they can get ..

If you read the BBC item, it points to the fact that 40% of houses do not have a driveway so this is probably a big reason why people are reluctant to buy EVs as they can't charge at home. I know the government are putting some money into the public charging system but this needs to be massively improved before those who can't home charge will commit.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Do you even know how much an EV costs, what do you drive at the moment ?

I drive a 5 year old Focus

And doesn’t matter about costs because that’s not what is stopping me getting one

 

[Lord Tyrion]

ah battery degradation, tons of evidence to show batteries will outlive the useful life of the car. Especially now we have EVs on the road for many years.
It's a shame that this sort of stuff is still peddled as important.

Maybe the industry and govt needs to do more on this front then. Get education out there, remove that particular fear. It's a real fear, so counter it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

ah battery degradation, tons of evidence to show batteries will outlive the useful life of the car. Especially now we have EVs on the road for many years.
It's a shame that this sort of stuff is still peddled as important.

The issue with “tons of evidence” is on the whole it comes from those that benefit

A battery’s output degrades in cold weather , it degrades over time

It’s a genuine reason why people will be wary of buying a second hand EV

 

[Deleted member 35927]

If you read the BBC item, it points to the fact that 40% of houses do not have a driveway so this is probably a big reason why people are reluctant to buy EVs as they can't charge at home. I know the government are putting some money into the public charging system but this needs to be massively improved before those who can't home charge will commit.

I did read it , you could own an EV without a home charger, far easier than people think. I agree that a lot more needs to be done though and it will. It will have to

 

[Deleted member 35927]

The issue with “tons of evidence” is on the whole it comes from those that benefit

A battery’s output degrades in cold weather , it degrades over time

It’s a genuine reason why people will be wary of buying a second hand EV

no it's not a genuine reason , it's massively overstated and just not an issue.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I did read it , you could own an EV without a home charger, far easier than people think. I agree that a lot more needs to be done though and it will. It will have to

It’s very easy to people to say that it’s easy to own an EV car without home charger but the reality is different - it’s far from easy for me to own an EV currently

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Maybe the industry and govt needs to do more on this front then. Get education out there, remove that particular fear. It's a real fear, so counter it.

Yes 100% sadly you only have to read back through this thread to see how tough that will be

 

[Deleted member 35927]

It’s very easy to people to say that it’s easy to own an EV car without home charger but the reality is different - it’s far from easy for me to own an EV currently

Good job I didn't say it's easy then. 5 year old focus with 40k miles is going to set you back about 11k. You could 2 to 3 yo comparable EV with more like 20k on the clock for less than that.
Also if you went for a 5yo EV, it would be much more efficient than an ice car, ice engines are hugely inefficient

 

[Neilds]

no it's not a genuine reason , it's massively overstated and just not an issue.

It may not be an issue but as long as people think it is then it will remain a barrier to ownership. Same as range anxiety, if people are nervous about running out of power on a long trip then they will be less likely to buy an EV. Therefore it is an issue.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Good job I didn't say it's easy then. 5 year old focus with 40k miles is going to set you back about 11k. You could 2 to 3 yo comparable EV with more like 20k on the clock for less than that.
Also if you went for a 5yo EV, it would be much more efficient than an ice car, ice engines are hugely inefficient

Did you miss the point that I don’t have home charging so there is little point for me to get one

Right now for ease of use and practically then it’s a car I don’t need to charge by plugging in somewhere

 

[Deleted member 35927]

It may not be an issue but as long as people think it is then it will remain a barrier to ownership. Same as range anxiety, if people are nervous about running out of power on a long trip then they will be less likely to buy an EV. Therefore it is an issue.

The issue is people still peddling the same old stuff , irrespective of the evidence. I get the range anxiety part, I felt it myself during the early months, but there are plenty of rapids charges these days and unless your daft and wait till youre at 1% and then look for a charger it's just not a problem.
I drove to northern Spain and back , no problem at all. All using public charging.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Did you miss the point that I don’t have home charging so there is little point for me to get one

Right now for ease of use and practically then it’s a car I don’t need to charge by plugging in somewhere

I'm aware of that, youve said it plenty of times , but you were talking about the cost being prohibitive, I'm pointing out it's not.
If an EV is not for you then why do you keep commenting?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm aware of that, youve said it plenty of times , but you were talking about the cost being prohibitive, I'm pointing out it's not.
If an EV is not for you then why do you keep commenting?

Because I’m led to believe that Hybrids come under the umbrella , it’s a subject that is key and am interested in it, would like to own an EV

And yes cost is still relevant , right now I don’t have any desire to get a second hand EV regardless of the cost because despite what you say there will be issues with batteries

And just because you say cost of buying an EV and owning one isn’t prohibitive doesn’t mean that’s correct for everyone

Im also concerned about where this £650mil will come from

There are still lots of issues for people buying and owning an EV - even if someone wanted to own one.

And each one of those issues is valid and relevant

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Because I’m led to believe that Hybrids come under the umbrella , it’s a subject that is key and am interested in it, would like to own an EV

And yes cost is still relevant , right now I don’t have any desire to get a second hand EV regardless of the cost because despite what you say there will be issues with batteries

And just because you say cost of buying an EV and owning one isn’t prohibitive doesn’t mean that’s correct for everyone

Im also concerned about where this £650mil will come from

There are still lots of issues for people buying and owning an EV - even if someone wanted to own one.

And each one of those issues is valid and relevant

What issues with the batteries ? I'm genuinely interested to know . Given that most will have warranty for many years or miles.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What issues with the batteries ? I'm genuinely interested to know . Given that most will have warranty for many years or miles.

All cars have a warranty cover many items - that will always depend on the length

And Battery Degradation will always exist and depends on multiple factors

Weather both cold and extreme heat
Charging habits
Physical damage
Build quality

When buying a second hand EV it will be unknown how the battery has been treated

Not much different to buying a second hand golf trolley with a lithium battery - we all know they degrade over time

 

[Deleted member 35927]

All cars have a warranty cover many items - that will always depend on the length

And Battery Degradation will always exist and depends on multiple factors

Weather both cold and extreme heat
Charging habits
Physical damage
Build quality

When buying a second hand EV it will be unknown how the battery has been treated

Not much different to buying a second hand golf trolley with a lithium battery - we all know they degrade over time

I think you need to do some more research, also you understand ice engines also degrade and your 5yo focus won't have as good mpg as it did when new.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think you need to do some more research, also you understand ice engines also degrade and your 5yo focus won't have as good mpg as it did when new.

Yes I understand that the mileage on an ICE car when bought helps someone understand the state of the engine

When buying an EV car you have no idea how the battery has been treated , the effects on the battery fron rapid charging and people’s on habits

Might be even more relevant with the cheaper Chinese EVs , I’m guessing that the quality of the battery won’t be anywhere near the level of a Tesla

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Yes I understand that the mileage on an ICE car when bought helps someone understand the state of the engine

When buying an EV car you have no idea how the battery has been treated , the effects on the battery fron rapid charging and people’s on habits

Might be even more relevant with the cheaper Chinese EVs , I’m guessing that the quality of the battery won’t be anywhere near the level of a Tesla

They key word there being guessing. You can get battery checks in the same way you can get an engine check.