The all things EV chat thread

[bobmac]

Just 1 and 2 to go then...........

Some would argue that if you have a range of 620 miles (500 in the real world), you wouldn't need to charge so often.
As for no.3, that won't change for a while.
If EVs were the same price as ICE cars, the dealerships wouldn't sell many ICE cars and as they are still making ICE cars, that won't change any time soon.
What will change it in my opinion is the import of new cars from China.

 

[GreiginFife]

Some would argue that if you have a range of 620 miles (500 in the real world), you wouldn't need to charge so often.
As for no.3, that won't change for a while.
If EVs were the same price as ICE cars, the dealerships wouldn't sell many ICE cars and as they are still making ICE cars, that won't change any time soon.
What will change it in my opinion is the import of new cars from China.

With the global semiconductor shortage now, more than ever, is the ideal time for manufacturers and dealers to shift the narrative to EVs.
They could easily just shift production effort to all EV models on the premise that there just isn’t enough chips to make all models and give priority to EVs.

I am 5 months from ordering my new car and still no sign, but they are going to build it, which means an EV isn’t being built. I am still on the wait list for the i4 but the deliveries are rocking horse poo at the minute.

 

[bobmac]

With the global semiconductor shortage now, more than ever, is the ideal time for manufacturers and dealers to shift the narrative to EVs.
They could easily just shift production effort to all EV models on the premise that there just isn’t enough chips to make all models and give priority to EVs.

I am 5 months from ordering my new car and still no sign, but they are going to build it, which means an EV isn’t being built. I am still on the wait list for the i4 but the deliveries are rocking horse poo at the minute.

You might be quicker getting a Polestar II

 

[GreiginFife]

You might be quicker getting a Polestar II

I did actually enquire, although it's an ugly beast, and (Volvo Edinburgh) were quoting upwards of 6 months wait for "basic spec" models. This shortage is really hitting everyone squarely where it hurts - right in the pounds.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Some would argue that if you have a range of 620 miles (500 in the real world), you wouldn't need to charge so often.
As for no.3, that won't change for a while.
If EVs were the same price as ICE cars, the dealerships wouldn't sell many ICE cars and as they are still making ICE cars, that won't change any time soon.
What will change it in my opinion is the import of new cars from China.

That is a very valid point and is quite a game changer.

Back to the price then. 2 down, one to go .

Personally, I would not buy a car from China but that is up to the individual.

 

[PNWokingham]

Some would argue that if you have a range of 620 miles (500 in the real world), you wouldn't need to charge so often.
As for no.3, that won't change for a while.
If EVs were the same price as ICE cars, the dealerships wouldn't sell many ICE cars and as they are still making ICE cars, that won't change any time soon.
What will change it in my opinion is the import of new cars from China.

and the battery will be bigger and thus take twice as long. No charger at home still no joy to electric ramp up

 

[bobmac]

and the battery will be bigger and thus take twice as long. No charger at home still no joy to electric ramp up

Until the solid state batteries come on line

 

[theoneandonly]

and the battery will be bigger and thus take twice as long. No charger at home still no joy to electric ramp up

I'm pretty sure most don't have a petrol pump at home either and they get by. At the moment it's a problem, but when ultra fast charging becomes real it won't matter.

 

[PNWokingham]

I'm pretty sure most don't have a petrol pump at home either and they get by. At the moment it's a problem, but when ultra fast charging becomes real it won't matter.

when being the key word

Takes me 5 minutes to fill my car - cannot wait 1 or 2 hours. We know this is all coming but we have to be several years away from these issues being ok tfor the majority.

 

[bobmac]

when being the key word

Takes me 5 minutes to fill my car - cannot wait 1 or 2 hours. We know this is all coming but we have to be several years away from these issues being ok tfor the majority.

You don't drive to a charger, plug in and wait 1-2 hours, you plug in and charge while you do something else. Go shopping, the gym, the office, the cinema, the golf club etc etc etc.
And if you cant do any of those or charge at home, stick with your ICE care for the next 20 years.

 

[PNWokingham]

You don't drive to a charger, plug in and wait 1-2 hours, you plug in and charge while you do something else. Go shopping, the gym, the office, the cinema, the golf club etc etc etc.
And if you cant do any of those or charge at home, stick with your ICE care for the next 20 years.

that is just not practivcal for most people most of the time, me included. In the future, we know things will be easier butfor now ICE is the only option for me and most others for a multitude of cost, convenience, value etc etc

 

[bobmac]

that is just not practivcal for most people most of the time, me included. In the future, we know things will be easier butfor now ICE is the only option for me and most others for a multitude of cost, convenience, value etc etc

Yes, we know Evs aren't for everyone yet but clever people all over the world are trying to make the transition as easy and painless as possible. The cost of purchase is coming down, the range is increasing and the charging infrastructure is growing every day.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

The way I see it is there are 3 main reasons why some people may not want to buy an electric car.
1. Cost, they are too expensive to buy.
2. Nowhere to charge.
3. Range isn't enough.

Mercedes seem to have improved no. 3

4. People don't want to destroy the planet through all the harm done by mining the raw materials for the batteries.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

4. People don't want to destroy the planet through all the harm done by mining the raw materials for the batteries.

Is it any worse than the harm done extracting oil?

 

[PJ87]

Yes, we know Evs aren't for everyone yet but clever people all over the world are trying to make the transition as easy and painless as possible. The cost of purchase is coming down, the range is increasing and the charging infrastructure is growing every day.

Best to give up bob, Its always the same arguments about it. Some of them quite rightly valid some of them pure twoddle based on the nissan leaf from 10 years ago.

People will change their mind in their own time (or never)

 

[BrianM]

I’d love to get an electrical car, but we just haven’t got the charging facilities up here in the Highlands yet, hopefully in time, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[PJ87]

I’d love to get an electrical car, but we just haven’t got the charging facilities up here in the Highlands yet, hopefully in time, but I’m not holding my breath.

I wouldnt either tbh. The gov have already backtracked on their install program. So its likely to get pushed back further and need more support from the private sector which will take more time no doubt

 

[bobmac]

4. People don't want to destroy the planet through all the harm done by mining the raw materials for the batteries.

You're quite right, stop digging for lithium and carry on pumping millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.
And if they do stop digging for Lithium, how are you going to power your next mobile phone/laptop/ipad/electric trolley?
Battery technology improvements will not only improve car batteries but every battery operated device we use. Imagine your next iphone lasting a week on one charge

 

[Robster59]

Well, not electric but mine is a PHEV. As such, 30 miles range pure electric (longer as a hybrid but battery still close to flat after 100 miles). I went down to see the family between Christmas and New Year. No point in charging at the services as it takes about 4 hours to charge mine, even on a fast charger (and it doesn't do rapid charge). We stayed at 2 hotels, neither of which had charging points so I couldn't charge them overnight there. Due to the location of the hotels, there weren't even any nearby. So for a journey of over 1000 miles in total, we could not charge our car.
The infrastructure is still some way yet from being ideal.

 

[PNWokingham]

[QUOTE="pauljames87, post: 2442623, member: 21784"]Best to give up bob, Its always the same arguments about it. Some of them quite rightly valid some of them pure twoddle based on the nissan leaf from 10 years ago.

People will change their mind in their own time (or never)[/QUOTE]

best to give up! what a condescending statement. And what the heck is pure twoddle inrelation to? Everything stated against elecric was factual and personal for those who dare to give opinions.

It is always the same points from you and the other evangelists promoting electric - and everyone accepts them apart from the fact that they are not for them now - due to either 1. finances - can't afford it; 2. Cannot justify it considering their lifestyle and needs; 3. Infrasture - or lack of it; 4. Impracticalities of the delays in refueling. For many, these issues are not a problem - and electric cars are good for them now - but that is clearly the minority at present.

I could afford an electic car at the moment but live in a flat, with no charging and none likely in the foreseeable, i do 3k miles per year, have a nice £12k Octovia that i recently purchased (downgrading from a sporty BMW as i could not justify that any more given i only use it to go 3 miles to the golf club, longer trips to other clubs and hardly anything else - haven't even used it in 3 weeks). But changing to electric makes zero sense for any reason - and is also probably greener for me to keep mine for the next 10 years

I am telling how it is for me and the majority at the moment while fully acknowledging and accepting that all arguments in favour of electric cars for the majority now are being chipped away bit-by-bit year-by-year - yet you and certain others cannot accept that while they work for you, they do not for a lot of people AT THE MOMENT!