The all things EV chat thread

[Bunkermagnet]

I was recently considering making the jump to electric. One of the things that put it on hold for me was the introduction of VED for them.
A tax based on emissions and electric cars were hit for £195/year, which seemed silly. And any car with enough range, size and comfort for us is going to have a list price over £40k and attract the expensive car penalty. So that's an extra £3000 on the price over the first 5 years.

I'm not being political as I have no allegiance to any party, but I do wonder what they are going to give back compared to what they added and how much it costs to administrate?

VED was always going to be applicable to EV'S just as London's congestion charge was. EV's take up road space, contribute to road damage and contribute to congestion. What has been the suprise is that they allowed their free pass for so long.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

VED was always going to be applicable to EV'S just as London's congestion charge was. EV's take up road space, contribute to road damage and contribute to congestion. What has been the suprise is that they allowed their free pass for so long.

Free pass there were stacks of zero rated diesels too. They are now paying 20 quid a year. You'll be telling me EVs are heavy so should pay more next.
Also ved is just a tax that goes into the main tax pot and is not used for road repairs.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Free pass there were stacks of zero rated diesels too. They are now paying 20 quid a year. You'll be telling me EVs are heavy so should pay more next.
Also ved is just a tax that goes into the main tax pot and is not used for road repairs.

It doesn't matter where the VED goes. EV's contribute to congestion and road damage, whether you want to accept it or not.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

It doesn't matter where the VED goes. EV's contribute to congestion and road damage, whether you want to accept it or not.

accept what ? I will pay ved from next year , no problem here.
You do know there have been zero rated vehicles for 20 years, long before EVs became popular. What about those, isn't paying £20 pretty much still a free pass.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

accept what ? I will pay ved from next year , no problem here.
You do know there have been zero rated vehicles for 20 years, long before EVs became popular. What about those, isn't paying £20 pretty much still a free pass.

Yes, and they should pay the same as everyone else. However, I doubt though there are that many 20 yr old diesels still running around as most owners would have either sold them for something newer or sold them because the ULEZ penalty makes them uneconomical to run and own.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Yes, and they should pay the same as everyone else. However, I doubt though there are that many 20 yr old diesels still running around as most owners would have either sold them for something newer or sold them because the ULEZ penalty makes them uneconomical to run and own.

Zero rated started 20 years ago, not all zero rated cars are 20 years old
What's ridiculous is that zero emissions cars are paying much more than many Ice cars.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Zero rated started 20 years ago, not all zero rated cars are 20 years old

Ok, you know exaclty what I mean but choose to ignore it, thats fine.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Ok, you know exaclty what I mean but choose to ignore it, thats fine.

No I dont, there will be millions of cars on the road who's paid zero ved and will now only be paying 20. As there are cars that are 20 years old and older. Go outside and see how many 05 plates you can see .

 

[Bunkermagnet]

No I dont, there will be millions of cars on the road who's paid zero ved and will now only be paying 20. As there are cars that are 20 years old and older. Go outside and see how many 05 plates you can see .

Very few as ULEZ has sent most to the scrap man.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Very few as ULEZ has sent most to the scrap man.

Ok, emissions based ved ran untill 2017 so there will be an awful lot of them still on the road. Sorry that doesn't fit with your anti EV views , but thats how it is.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'd be interested to know if ICE sales have also stagnated.
We were in the market for a new car and have been shopping around for a while but have decided that our 9 and 7-year-old cars can do a few more years.
Lots of fast but extremely boring and soulless cars out there at the moment - ICE and electric. I don't want to feel like I'm sitting behind a desk operating a computer when I'm in the car. Toyota was a breath of fresh air, which I never thought I'd say.

I read a piece on this subject a few weeks ago. Sales of new diesels have dropped, largely because mfrs have reduced r & d and production of them because they are being forced out by govts. Fewer diesel options for customers so fewer choosing new ones.

Petrols are similar to before, from memory but wouldn't swear to it.

However, and this is where it gets interesting, second hand sales of diesels are very strong, people still want them. I think their prices were even up on last year. Demand is still there from the public.

 

[Neilds]

Very few as ULEZ has sent most to the scrap man.

Not everyone lives or drives in a ULEZ. I pay £20 a year for my 64 plate diesel and have only driven once in a ULEZ - and that was only because I missed my turning.

 

[Hobbit]

Not everyone lives or drives in a ULEZ. I pay £20 a year for my 64 plate diesel and have only driven once in a ULEZ - and that was only because I missed my turning.

Sorry, but I’ve got to ask…
Do Ford or Mercedes make the ULEZ you’ve driven…?

I’ll get my coat

 

[jim8flog]

I'd be interested to know if ICE sales have also stagnated.
We were in the market for a new car and have been shopping around for a while but have decided that our 9 and 7-year-old cars can do a few more years.
Lots of fast but extremely boring and soulless cars out there at the moment - ICE and electric. I don't want to feel like I'm sitting behind a desk operating a computer when I'm in the car. Toyota was a breath of fresh air, which I never thought I'd say.

In the past decade or so I have changed my cars after 3-4 years of ownership simply because previously I kept one car for so long it was virtually worthless. I have always needed god trade in/sales values to be able to afford the new car. Due to what happened with second hand prices post pandemic I nearly got what I paid for the last one after 4 years of ownership and at one time I was offered more than what I paid for it.

3 of the past 4 cars have been bought as high mileage 1 year old cars and by the time I sold them they were low mileage due to the very low use I give them. The EV was bought as a pre-reg with just 50 miles on the clock with £8k off list price.

 

[road2ruin]

I was recently considering making the jump to electric. One of the things that put it on hold for me was the introduction of VED for them.
A tax based on emissions and electric cars were hit for £195/year, which seemed silly. And any car with enough range, size and comfort for us is going to have a list price over £40k and attract the expensive car penalty. So that's an extra £3000 on the price over the first 5 years.

I'm not being political as I have no allegiance to any party, but I do wonder what they are going to give back compared to what they added and how much it costs to administrate?

I have no issue with EV's paying VED, we use the same infrastructure as ICE cars so should also be paying. My big bugbear is this 'luxury' car tax for those that cost £40,000 or more. With current car prices (both EV and Ice) how on earth is £40,000+ luxury?!

 

[bobmac]

It doesn't matter where the VED goes. EV's contribute to congestion and road damage, whether you want to accept it or not.

But they don't affect the air quality

 

[clubchamp98]

I have no issue with EV's paying VED, we use the same infrastructure as ICE cars so should also be paying. My big bugbear is this 'luxury' car tax for those that cost £40,000 or more. With current car prices (both EV and Ice) how on earth is £40,000+ luxury?!

Yes I thought that was what Value Added Tax was for!

 

[clubchamp98]

But they don't affect the air quality

VED was for Road Tax never mentioned air.

Most of it is spent elsewhere.
If the tax motorist pay was used on the roads they would be like billiard tables .

 

[Imurg]

VED was for Road Tax never mentioned air.

Most of it is spent elsewhere.
If the tax motorist pay was used on the roads they would be like billiard tables .

Green with lots of holes rather than grey with lots of holes...?

 

[clubchamp98]

Green with lots of holes rather than grey with lots of holes...?

Yes but the holes are at the sides not in the middle

They would also have underfloor heating for the winter and a guy on every traffic light to mop your brow!