Supplementary Cards

[rosecott]

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?27642-Supplementary-Scores-Clarification
Just found an Old thread that clarifies Clubs cannot refuse Supplementary cards, as it's a 4 yr old thread, things might of changed.

Indeed . The CONGU manual contains a compliance list with which affiliated clubs must comply to maintain their affiliation status. These are the two relevant items from that list:

Accept for handicapping purposes Supplementary Scores in accordance with
Union requirements?
Have a defined procedure for Members to signify, in advance, their intention to
return a Supplementary Score and provision for the return of cards?

The national union also requires clubs to make members aware of the Supplementary system. The club's argument against implementing the system reminds me of the interminable discussions on which rules of golf should be observed and which you can ignore because you don't agree with them. The club which refuses to comply is being a bit arrogant in stating that they see no need for Supplementaries. How can they know the individual situation and needs of every member? In other posts on the thread, it is clear that some club members do find it difficult to find time - at the right time for them - to enter as many competitions as they would want to.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I don't think I've ever put a supplementary card in!!! I play every competition going which means my handicap is reflecting my competitive play and therefore my current standard so I've never seen the point. Turn up sign the book and stick the card in at my place but playing so so in comps is enough for me without inflicting more pain on myself

 

[2blue]

Many thanks for everyone's input... most informative

Is it possible to do a 9 hole Supplementary??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Many thanks for everyone's input... most informative

Is it possible to do a 9 hole Supplementary??

Edit - sorry no I don't think they are

 

[drdel]

Then be involved and play in the comps like everyone else and have a proper HC - support the competitions.

It will be a welcome change to Congu

Not sure why you need to be so strident.

Many people play golf for many reasons and, as we keep saying, it needs to attract more golfers.

The handicap system is there to allow those of different ability to play affair between themselves. Consequently many players simply want evidence of their ability so they can play in a society day, new work colleagues, different course with new people.

Not all golf is competition. What does it mater to you whether a golfer has a handicap to play in a competitions.

If you read this thread as a potential player you might decide its all too much hassle.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not sure why you need to be so strident.

Many people play golf for many reasons and, as we keep saying, it needs to attract more golfers.

The handicap system is there to allow those of different ability to play affair between themselves. Consequently many players simply want evidence of their ability so they can play in a society day, new work colleagues, different course with new people.

Not all golf is competition. What does it mater to you whether a golfer has a handicap to play in a competitions.

If you read this thread as a potential player you might decide its all too much hassle.

The player can have a HC - no one says he can't

But for it to be "competitive" ( hence the change in symbol ) then the player IMO should partake in qualifying comps as it gives the truest level of the HC. That's the point in having a HC

 

[ger147]

The player can have a HC - no one says he can't

But for it to be "competitive" ( hence the change in symbol ) then the player IMO should partake in qualifying comps as it gives the truest level of the HC. That's the point in having a HC

But just to confirm, as far as CONGU is concerned, 3 supplementary cards per year is sufficient to maintain an official and active handicap, yes?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But just to confirm, as far as CONGU is concerned, 3 supplementary cards per year is sufficient to maintain an official and active handicap, yes?

Currently yep it is

 

[drdel]

The player can have a HC - no one says he can't

But for it to be "competitive" ( hence the change in symbol ) then the player IMO should partake in qualifying comps as it gives the truest level of the HC. That's the point in having a HC

Among the guys I play with the idea that the 'competition' adds a load of tension and pressure is a b***s**t myth: we play pretty much the same because we enjoy the sport, friendships and, of course, the competitive element. I'd suggest that for most mid or hi handicappers the competition label makes not a jot of difference.

Those non-professionals, who want an excuse for their high score on the day and bleat on and suggest it was the pressure of competition need to get a life - unless there's serious money prizes, which there rarely is, who really cares.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Among the guys I play with the idea that the 'competition' adds a load of tension and pressure is a b***s**t myth: we play pretty much the same because we enjoy the sport, friendships and, of course, the competitive element. I'd suggest that for most mid or hi handicappers the competition label makes not a jot of difference.

Those non-professionals, who want an excuse for their high score on the day and bleat on and suggest it was the pressure of competition need to get a life - unless there's serious money prizes, which there rarely is, who really cares.

Well seen enough evidence from people's scores in comp and roll ups to suggest it's far from a myth nor an excuse and a lot of people do care

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Among the guys I play with the idea that the 'competition' adds a load of tension and pressure is a b***s**t myth: we play pretty much the same because we enjoy the sport, friendships and, of course, the competitive element. I'd suggest that for most mid or hi handicappers the competition label makes not a jot of difference.

Those non-professionals, who want an excuse for their high score on the day and bleat on and suggest it was the pressure of competition need to get a life - unless there's serious money prizes, which there rarely is, who really cares.

I always want to play my best whether its a GM meet, friendly knock with my mates, weekend roll up, monthly medal or club champs. I try my hardest but it's not the end of the world if I break handicap or play like a 28 handicapper. I certainly don't feel any real pressure, bar perhaps a flutter in my stomach if I'm in contention in a club comp and I just try and ignore it and carry on doing what I've been doing.

 

[Robobum]

Among the guys I play with the idea that the 'competition' adds a load of tension and pressure is a b***s**t myth: we play pretty much the same because we enjoy the sport, friendships and, of course, the competitive element. I'd suggest that for most mid or hi handicappers the competition label makes not a jot of difference.

Those non-professionals, who want an excuse for their high score on the day and bleat on and suggest it was the pressure of competition need to get a life - unless there's serious money prizes, which there rarely is, who really cares.

Yeah, I never get this medal pressure rubbish for us choppers. What's the worst that can happen? 0.1!!!!

Although having said that, I started birdie, par, eagle, birdie, birdie a few weeks ago and my nuts went all tight! Then went sky, shank, tree, tree, thin, 3 whack..........pressure? Nah, just my mind racing ahead thinking I'm going to shoot 59!!!!!

 

[duncan mackie]

Many thanks for everyone's input... most informative

Is it possible to do a 9 hole Supplementary??

Not today, as already responded.

I believe it is in the proposals wef 1.1.2016 (I have to call them proposals as things seem to just keep changing!!!)

 

[TheCaddie]

Not sure why you need to be so strident.

Many people play golf for many reasons and, as we keep saying, it needs to attract more golfers.

The handicap system is there to allow those of different ability to play affair between themselves. Consequently many players simply want evidence of their ability so they can play in a society day, new work colleagues, different course with new people.

Not all golf is competition. What does it mater to you whether a golfer has a handicap to play in a competitions.

If you read this thread as a potential player you might decide its all too much hassle.

Hit the nail on the head there. Unfortunately, when people have been doing something one way, for so long, they think it is the only way, and the right way. Hence why golf as a sport has so many issues, and is probably one of the least welcoming sports to get involved in!!!

Also completely agree with your comment about pressure in comps! It's hilarious. I've played with people in comps plenty of times, and none of them give a monkey's. They are just out there enjoying the game with their mates.

 

[TheCaddie]

I tHink there's sites that will administer an unofficial handicap for you. It would then be sort of official between the 2 of you.
I don't know how they work or if they charge?

I don't want a handicap through a website. I know roughly what I play off anyways, but my club has an online portal that tracks your scores and things like that, so getting a handicap and adding supplementary cards would be a good approach for me to measure my own progress, and still be able to enter competitions when I want to as well.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't want a handicap through a website. I know roughly what I play off anyways, but my club has an online portal that tracks your scores and things like that, so getting a handicap and adding supplementary cards would be a good approach for me to measure my own progress, and still be able to enter competitions when I want to as well.

So you want to play competitions ?

That wasn't the message you put out earlier ?

If you are playing in comps then there is no need for supplementary cards

The symbol to show that someone's HC is active was changed to a C in recent years to show that the HC is "competitive" ie it's valid for competitions

That's what you need an active competitive HC for and what clubs IMO should administer a HC for - to allow and enable the player to play in competition both home and away

That's why a number of clubs and club HC sec has spoken to Congu about changing what allows someone to have an active HC - making it compulsory that a certain amount of cards from a competition must be submitted within the 12 month period was one mentioned and one I certainly hope they introduce soon.

 

[bluewolf]

Put the bone down Fido

I think he's saying that it's useful to have a handicap as a measure of his ability, and also in case he wants to enter a Competition in the future. He obviously prefers playing with his better half at the time being. There's nothing wrong with what he's doing. Not everyone wants to play comps every week, but it's good to have the ability to enter if the right opportunity arises.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Put the bone down Fido

I think he's saying that it's useful to have a handicap as a measure of his ability, and also in case he wants to enter a Competition in the future. He obviously prefers playing with his better half at the time being. There's nothing wrong with what he's doing. Not everyone wants to play comps every week, but it's good to have the ability to enter if the right opportunity arises.

It's still an official HC and can still be updated using supplementary cards just isn't competitive ( that's the change I see happening )

 

[ger147]

It's still an official HC and can still be updated using supplementary cards just isn't competitive ( that's the change I see happening )

I can't see anything in the rule changes coming in for 2016 that states a handicap will not be a competition handicap if it's maintained via 3 supplementary cards?

http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=17427&itemtype=document

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't see anything in the rule changes coming in for 2016 that states a handicap will not be a competition handicap if it's maintained via 3 supplementary cards?

http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=17427&itemtype=document

That's because it isn't part of any rule changes in Jan 2016.