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Papas1982 said:
I actually agreed with you that city and Chelsea were extreme. Just pointed out that their teams have been equally succesful without the chequebook. Not everything has to cause such debate, Chelsea and man city spend loads. TRUE.

LIverpool have spent more than UTD and arsenal with less premierleague success ALSO TRUE.

Back to signings I'd like to see us get at least 2 decent centre backs, rumours I've heard are that Lovren has said his goodbyes already and doesn't expect to be back over summer. We have NO cover whatsoever even in the youth set up we lack cb's unfortunately.
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City didnt win a trophy for 20 plus years before the chequebook

Chelsea hadnt won the league for 20 odd years before the chequebook - their success is down to rich owners

Two clubs with open cheques hence my comment

Nothing was stated about other clubs not spending money - they have - including ourselves for moderate success over the 23 years . Arsenal with zero success when they stopped spending and the Mancs train has stalled and will need to spend.

Chelsea changed the footprint of the prem - City added on top of that. Spending beyond extreme - hence my comment about the open chequebook
 
Liverpoolphil said:
City didnt win a trophy for 20 plus years before the chequebook

Chelsea hadnt won the league for 20 odd years before the chequebook - their success is down to rich owners

Two clubs with open cheques hence my comment

Nothing was stated about other clubs not spending money - they have - including ourselves for moderate success over the 23 years . Arsenal with zero success when they stopped spending and the Mancs train has stalled and will need to spend.

Chelsea changed the footprint of the prem - City added on top of that. Spending beyond extreme - hence my comment about the open chequebook
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Other teams have been succesful. That was clearly a typo by me as city obviously had not prem success beforehand.

Arsenal didnt spend anymore than others on the invincibles or that era. Granted they've slowed down now due to the city and Chelsea era. But they were succesful without masses of cash. UTD too.

My my point is, Money whilst obviously helping isn't the be all and end all. Many teams have squandered it, and many managers have got success with limited finances. As Brendan is currently doing.

I just oust think that when the sugar daddy card is constantly played it gets old. Clubs either accept they challenge as UTD did under fergie and continue to succeed (until he left) or use it as an excuse and faultered like arsenal have done.

Re re liverpools success since the dawn of prem. I'd say cups wise you've done very well, but for the money spent on your squads 2 realistic title tilts in 20 years is less than moderate success for a club your size. You had 15 Years before city n Chelsea turned up and still didn't win it and spent as much as anyone then.
Re open cheque. I've already said I agree they changed it, you don't have to continually justify it. As I've said above, blaming them for a lack of success is just accepting defeat before you begin though, IMO.
 
Papas1982 said:
Not sure the relevance of that, in the lower leagues he performed just as well and has had 5 consistent years improving. He's still had two years that have been better that Barkelys.

Starting in the prem isn't the be all and end all, better for his career to be moving up than down surely?

im also not disregarding Barkley. But I think there's more coverage and hype these days than ever before. I think to say he's been any better that Gerrard or beckham is wide of the mark. Lampard did start slowly though I'd agree.
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I just said Barkley was as good as, not better than at the same age. Gerrard was 20, Beckham 21 when they first played for England. Barkley was 19, so great potential.

I don't support either Everton or Southampton so just an neutrals opinion. I do think that Barkley is the best all round midfielder I have seen since Roy Keane played for Forest. I just hope he realizes his potential.
 
Papas1982 said:
Other teams have been succesful. That was clearly a typo by me as city obviously had not prem success beforehand.

Arsenal didnt spend anymore than others on the invincibles or that era. Granted they've slowed down now due to the city and Chelsea era. But they were succesful without masses of cash. UTD too.

My my point is, Money whilst obviously helping isn't the be all and end all. Many teams have squandered it, and many managers have got success with limited finances. As Brendan is currently doing.

I just oust think that when the sugar daddy card is constantly played it gets old. Clubs either accept they challenge as UTD did under fergie and continue to succeed (until he left) or use it as an excuse and faultered like arsenal have done.

Re re liverpools success since the dawn of prem. I'd say cups wise you've done very well, but for the money spent on your squads 2 realistic title tilts in 20 years is less than moderate success for a club your size. You had 15 Years before city n Chelsea turned up and still didn't win it and spent as much as anyone then.
Re open cheque. I've already said I agree they changed it, you don't have to continually justify it. As I've said above, blaming them for a lack of success is just accepting defeat before you begin though, IMO.
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You know what its not worth it anymore because either you keep re wording things or you just continuely miss the point and add in your own presumptions and insinuations - "Liverpool Paupers" and now "Blaming them" etc . Its tiring now. There is no point posting opinions when you change things.

Have a good evening.
 
richart said:
I just said Barkley was as good as, not better than at the same age. Gerrard was 20, Beckham 21 when they first played for England. Barkley was 19, so great potential.

I don't support either Everton or Southampton so just an neutrals opinion. I do think that Barkley is the best all round midfielder I have seen since Roy Keane played for Forest. I just hope he realizes his potential.
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i think with Martinez and then Brendan :whistle: looking after his development i can see him realising his potential. Going to Man Utd right now wouldnt be the best move for him and i dont expect him to leave Everton this summer. But certainly agree with your opinion about him
 
richart said:
I just said Barkley was as good as, not better than at the same age. Gerrard was 20, Beckham 21 when they first played for England. Barkley was 19, so great potential.

I don't support either Everton or Southampton so just an neutrals opinion. I do think that Barkley is the best all round midfielder I have seen since Roy Keane played for Forest. I just hope he realizes his potential.
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Fully agree with this, Rooney has to a point. Nobody would argue he's a top player, but never quite got where I thought he would. Wilshere looked amazing for all of about 6 months. Injuries and off field problems means he's probably not even first choice at arsenal it all fit. Not sure whether it's that they're I've hyped, or maybe pressure is too much. Either way, fingers crossed he continues to progress!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You know what its not worth it anymore because either you keep re wording things or you just continuely miss the point and add in your own presumptions and insinuations - "Liverpool Paupers" and now "Blaming them" etc . Its tiring now. There is no point posting opinions when you change things.

Have a good evening.
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wow, phil introduce yourself to a mirror whilst I say hello to a brick wall. Sorry to disagree with your opinion. I know it's not allowed on here. My bad.

Of course if you wish to point out what I've changed I'd happily listen, I've not changed my opinion just furthered it somewhat. Of course that's nit as interesting as turning every article into how clubs to things differently to Liverpool which is bad. This is like the third thread where Chelsea money issues have been raised by yourself. Why not just start a thread on "things that clubs do worse than Liverpool". Would let us all know where we stand then.

Nitey nitey.

WHEN WILL I LEARN????????
 
I do not think you can compare Barkley and Lallana. Lallana has had a good season in the PL, but he should be as he is now hitting his prime years. Barkley has had some good games and shown some fantastic talent at times, but he is only 20 so another 5 years to develop more until he is hitting his prime years.

When buying Barkley you are buying a player that is only going to improve and you get to mold him into what you want and get him for all his good years. Lallana is what he is and is not really going to improve and is already in his prime years. To me that makes Barkley worth more on the transfer market.
 
If Moyes had still been at Everton i would have been slightly nervous about this transfer windows with clubs sniffing round Barkley, Coleman but with Martinez I'm fully confident none of our big players will leave this summer.

I also think we will bring in a few exciting players, hopefully on loan just to upset everyone again :)
 
If I could have the pick of all the premiership players to have at my club for free, at the moment I would go for Barkley.

I dont like to get caught up in over-hype of young players, as mistakes and weaknesses tend to get easily overlooked and put down to "well he's still only young". However Barkley looks the real deal to me and looks like he could be the equal of Gerrard in coming years, if injuries, coaching and choice of future clubs (if required) is picked well.

Yaya is immense, but only has a few more years at the top, which is why I would have Barkley above him.

I'd have Lallana, but if we could get Barkley for £25-30 mill off Everton, I'd snatch their hands off.
 
Liverbirdie said:
If I could have the pick of all the premiership players to have at my club for free, at the moment I would go for Barkley.

I dont like to get caught up in over-hype of young players, as mistakes and weaknesses tend to get easily overlooked and put down to "well he's still only young". However Barkley looks the real deal to me and looks like he could be the equal of Gerrard in coming years, if injuries, coaching and choice of future clubs (if required) is picked well.

Yaya is immense, but only has a few more years at the top, which is why I would have Barkley above him.

I'd have Lallana, but if we could get Barkley for £25-30 mill off Everton, I'd snatch their hands off.
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Obv thise thread is somewhat speculative. Not being a pool can I don't know all the back story. Out if curiousity, how many players have gone Everton -Liverpool or vice versus? Do you think Barkley is likely at al?
 
Liverbirdie said:
If I could have the pick of all the premiership players to have at my club for free, at the moment I would go for Barkley.

I dont like to get caught up in over-hype of young players, as mistakes and weaknesses tend to get easily overlooked and put down to "well he's still only young". However Barkley looks the real deal to me and looks like he could be the equal of Gerrard in coming years, if injuries, coaching and choice of future clubs (if required) is picked well.

Yaya is immense, but only has a few more years at the top, which is why I would have Barkley above him.

I'd have Lallana, but if we could get Barkley for £25-30 mill off Everton, I'd snatch their hands off.
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Not a chance Barkley would leave Everton for Liverpool or that Everton would sell him to a Liverpool.

Martinez burst out laughing in a press conference the other week when the story was in paper the other week about Liverpool going to bid £35 million for him.

His words were " according to the media we turned down £50 million from Utd so why would we accept £35 million from them"
 
Papas1982 said:
Obv thise thread is somewhat speculative. Not being a pool can I don't know all the back story. Out if curiousity, how many players have gone Everton -Liverpool or vice versus? Do you think Barkley is likely at al?
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Don't think Many have recently,can only think of Barmby & Xavier. Could be wrong tho.
 
SaintHacker said:
Lol, yeah OK.
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Players like Suarez , Toure , Hazard , Silva and Aguero are what I would call spectacular players - players that produce magic moments on regular occasions - would you really put Lallana alongside them ?

He is a good player - would like him in our squad to gave us extra options as think he is technically talented on the ball and is very creative - the sort of player BR likes and would fit in well.
 
That video shows exactly what I'm saying - he is a tidy player who is good on the ball and £20mil is a good price for him.
 
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