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It's all about differing opinions - to me I would put him alongside players like Coutinho and Eriksson in terms of ability ?
What about you ?
It's all about differing opinions - to me I would put him alongside players like Coutinho and Eriksson in terms of ability ?
What about you ?
SaintHacker
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Lallana vs Coutinho
Lallana has...
- more goals
- higher pass accuracy
- more aerial duels won per game
- more interceptions per game
- blocked more shots per game
- more dribbles per game
- more crosses per game
Lallana has...
- more goals
- higher pass accuracy
- more aerial duels won per game
- more interceptions per game
- blocked more shots per game
- more dribbles per game
- more crosses per game
I would agree with that assessment.
Would you happily sell coutinho for £20m?
I think thats how much saints want for Lallana so will want 26-28 so thats how much they get after sell on clause is covered.
I'm a massive fan of Lallana and would take him over coutinho everytime. But, and it doesnt happen often. I can see Phils point. Lallana is in the same bracket as coutinho imo. They are different types though, Lallana more of a grafter, with skill. Coutinho a bit more flamboyant.
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Sorry but stats don't show players natural ability
So as I asked which players would you put Lallana alongside in the prem ?
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I would be happy selling Coutinho but £20mil would be a fair price
As would £20mil for Eriksson
Thats true, but are you buying Lallana for his natural ability, or that fact he has a proven (stats) record in the prem?
I think only Yaya and Hazard have more goals from open play (midfielders) than Adam, so it's pretty clear why teams would want him.
Pin-seeker
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If It's true that Liverpool have already offered £20m then you'd expect him to go for slightly more,especially If UTD are also interested.
Fair enough, I can't see other liverpool or spurs taking £20 for either.
Liverpool maybe if they thought they could get more british players, but doub't spurs as they like to make nice profits. And they need to hold onto some of the players hwo have had relative success in replacing Bale.
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Buying Lallana because he would fit in with our system and the way we play.
He is a good player and think he brings a bit of extra creativity from a wider area to compliment our other attacking players
He is a good player and think he brings a bit of extra creativity from a wider area to compliment our other attacking players
SaintHacker
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How else can you gauge a players ability without stats?
I would put him up there a bit behind Toure and Hazard.
SaintHacker
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Again, everyone is just assuming hw will go. The board have already said no player that the manager wants to keep will be sold. So it all depends on him, if he signs a juicy new contract (and I think he will) I would not be at all surprised if all of our players stayed. If however he does go, take your pick, it will be like a red and white jumble sale...
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Toure and Hazard are world class proven international players on every stage of the game - both IMO in the Top Ten currently playing in the World ! There is IMO no english player anywhere near them
Lallana isn't even guaranteed to start for England in the summer.
Maybe it's the bias and that's not really a problem but it's what fans ( especially England fans ) have been doing for years - massively overrating our players.
Pin-seeker
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I hope he does stay,be nice if Southampton can keep all their top players.
I think the sale is more likely mate. I'd much rather bury my head in the sand and hope it goes away. But I've heard that Lovren, Morgan and Adam have already said their goodbyes. I really hope the club gives it a push. Would be great for them to all stay together for 1 more year at least.
Re Lallana, as i've said I've seen him from league 1 up and he is getting better with everygame. IMO if he was already at liverpool the debate of him starting for england would be over. But Comparing to Hazard and Toure is a bit too much.
I'd say he's got a way to go to get in that bracket. 20 goals/assists next year and maybe i'd agree.
Money talks (sadly) and so if a club comes with a big price then they won't refuse. I also think they wouldn't stand in his way to progress
MadAdey
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If it is stats we are talking and using Couthinio as the comparison then this is what they look like head to head:
--------------------Coutino------Lallana-----Barkley
Age......................21...............25..............20
Games .................32 ..............37..............34
Started.................28...............37..............25
Goals....................5.................9................6
Assists..................7.................6................0
Chances created....65...............69..............26
Pass %.................80...............84..............85
Cross Success %...21...............20............. 10
Tackles won %......76...............83..............78
Duels won %.........51...............46..............52
Ariel duels won %..34...............30..............42
So looking at the stats to me it says that Lallana is the worst player of the 3. The other 2 are a lot younger than him ans have also started a lot less games than him too. So the fact that Coutino has only created 4 less chances when he has started 9 less games is relevant. He has also come out on top more when scrapping with other players for the ball.
So as you say using stats is the only way to compare player. To me I would put Coutino in the £20m, maybe £25m if someone really wanted him. But you say a player that is 4 years older than him is worth £35m?
It may have been a long winded post but it was the only way to get a point across. Not sure if your club sites have it but Liverpool have a player comparison tool so that you can compare any PL player against each other, the link is below.
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/player-stats/49794/Coutinho
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Thats a good little device,but surely you should list all the stats to make a fair comparison?
Lallana has more blocks and clearances for example and his shot accuracy is also significantly better.
From what i can see from your stats Lallana is first or second in all, bar duels. So i don't know how that makes him the worst?
I'd also expect a Coutinho to have substantially higher assists and chances created been as he's playing for a bigger team that have scored almost twice as many goals at saints.
IMO Lallana is the best of the three players and quite clearly currently.
In 20 years when all their careers are over, will he have been the best, possibly not. But as a player to pick for a one off game i'd take him everyday. Will be interested what his role will be if he goes to liverpool. I'd imagine Coutinhos role will diminish.
***** Lallana 26 today by the way lol
Lallana has more blocks and clearances for example and his shot accuracy is also significantly better.
From what i can see from your stats Lallana is first or second in all, bar duels. So i don't know how that makes him the worst?
I'd also expect a Coutinho to have substantially higher assists and chances created been as he's playing for a bigger team that have scored almost twice as many goals at saints.
IMO Lallana is the best of the three players and quite clearly currently.
In 20 years when all their careers are over, will he have been the best, possibly not. But as a player to pick for a one off game i'd take him everyday. Will be interested what his role will be if he goes to liverpool. I'd imagine Coutinhos role will diminish.
***** Lallana 26 today by the way lol
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MadAdey
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It is a good little tool and there are definitely more stats than I have listed, I have just highlighted the % stats more as it is difficult to compare Lallana to the others with a lot of stats due to the fact that he has spent a lot more time on the pitch. All 3 of them are good players, I just lean towards Coutinho and Barkley more on the age side of things. IMO a PL CM is in his prime up until he is about 30, we have seen it with (Gerrard and LAmpard). So to me if you are going out to spend some big cash they would be worth more than Lallana, just purely because they have got another 5 years longer than him before they are starting to get past their best.
Thats a fair point. Tbh, i don't think there is a chance you'll get Barkley. Not for anywhere south of £35m. As you've said, his potentialCOULD make that a bargain. Or a lot of egg on your face if he stalls.
I'd argue Gerrard may be even more influential now than h ever has been and is what 34? Maybe not so much Roy of the Rivers stuff, but controlling the whole team tempo.
It pains me to say it, but i think Lallana will move to you for close to £26m so saints actually get close to £20. Is he worth that, compared to some teams recent signings id say definately, of course the proof is in the pudding. This tim enext yer we will have a better idea.
IMO, if he plays as much for you next year as he did us this year. His figures will be right up there with all other prem attacking midfielders. of course, i hope he snubs you lol
