Stableford Score today- Obscene

Couple of season ago, had a few lessons in April before start of season (for me). Had played complete pants entire previous season.

First comp, 44 points off 9, including a blob at par-3 17th (shot hole, over water, fired straight at flag, splash, then cute lob across, another splash) and missed 4 foot putt for birdie at last. Par at 17 and holing that putt on 18 would have been 48 points. Won by 2, coulda won by more, then played more or less pants for months afterwards.
 
My regular partner got 42 recently. Nothing wrong with that except off 28 he had got 25 points on the front nine. I'd gone out in three over gross and only got 22 and so had to pay out a quid for losing the front 9!! He got oxygen depravation at the rarified heights his golf was at and limped home in 17 points to win his division at a canter.

As I've mentioned I played the front 9 in one under gross on Friday and that only got me 25 points!!!!
 
Just assume for a moment that Homer played both 9's as he did the front.That would have got him 50 points! Ok playing off 12 he's not likely to (are you?) but that's 14 shots below handicap. He'd get a well done from the lads and a bar bill to boot. If a 28'er goes round in 14 over they'd get slated to death and called a bandit.

If its a qualifying round the handicap system will take care of them. If its not it should get noted and stored up for later use at the review.
 
Played in Vice-Cap day yesterday, we went out at 0712 as it was the only slot available and after about 13 holes of rain and totally wet through the comp sec walks over to us on the 18th green and states it will be a 9 hole comp as loads havent turned up and the ones that have are not teeing off whilst it rains, the worst is that my playing partner did well and scored 46 point off 28 but because its a 9 hole course they only took his first 8 of 20 points which is pretty average, I played pretty poor on the first 9 with 11 points :o (I was half asleep and hungover) and picked up 19 on the way in.

To me , if your h/c is 28 and you are capable of such a score, you should not be off 28. Once you are aware of improvement you should not always wait for someone else to cut you, you should request it yourself.
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lol I might ask to be cut myself. I thought the only way to be cut was by playing in Qual matches?
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No, you can request it from your h/c committee, I have in the past, both ways...once asking for a cut and once for a raise and both times after offering good reasoning and performance examples, it was accepted and changed. If you dont play in many qualifiers but play a lot of golf, anyones golf can improve but not see a change. ;)
 
Just assume for a moment that Homer played both 9's as he did the front.That would have got him 50 points! Ok playing off 12 he's not likely to (are you?) but that's 14 shots below handicap. He'd get a well done from the lads and a bar bill to boot. If a 28'er goes round in 14 over they'd get slated to death and called a bandit.

If its a qualifying round the handicap system will take care of them. If its not it should get noted and stored up for later use at the review.
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Myself, I dont slate high h/cappers for the sake of their h/c, but I do question one or two when I witness their general play and comp play(not just one round), and I do question the speed at which both player and the official system are at getting round to changing h/c. It stands to reason that many high h/c players are not going to stay there, but unless they monitor their own improvement rate as well as qualifying system there will always be cases where the h/c will be inappropriate for the player in a comp. With only 3 qualifiers per year required, and no guarantee they will perform at a current improved standard within those 3 qualifiers, there is equally no fairness guarantee they will have the correct h/c for some comps.

As standard of golf improves the expectations improve. I would not be surprised if a 12 h/c player played as Homer did on 9 holes, but I would if a 28 h/c player did. Likewise I wouldnt be surprised if a touring car driver moved to F1 and did well, but I would be surprised if someone like that welsh woman on that learner driver program did. None of which is impossible, but where odds are concerned, unlikely. And that is why high h/c players are questioned sometimes, and rightly so in my view. ;)
 
Surely a solution is to have a comp, every weekend as a qualifying comp. As it is at our club.

Or, to have an official h'cap you should take part in 10 qualifying games a year, but no handing in what you fancy. The h'cap secreatry could either choose 10 or designate the 10 at random after they've been played. This would eradicate some of the h'cap protectors.

I know it's flawed and full of holes. But, it's a solution if you think that h'cap protection is an issue.

Personally, it's no different to blatant rule 'bending' that happens. Either through ignorance, which I can live with. Let's face it, I've probably had one or two! Or deliberate!

You could therefore argue, why take part in any comps anyway?
 
Surely a solution is to have a comp, every weekend as a qualifying comp. As it is at our club.

Or, to have an official h'cap you should take part in 10 qualifying games a year, but no handing in what you fancy. The h'cap secreatry could either choose 10 or designate the 10 at random after they've been played. This would eradicate some of the h'cap protectors.

I know it's flawed and full of holes. But, it's a solution if you think that h'cap protection is an issue.

Personally, it's no different to blatant rule 'bending' that happens. Either through ignorance, which I can live with. Let's face it, I've probably had one or two! Or deliberate!

You could therefore argue, why take part in any comps anyway?
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I think you have good ideas, and it is really difficult to find the best and fairest way. I feel sorry for high h/c players who through no fault of their own find themselves from time to time victims of the bandit accusations etc, as I belive most golfers (high h/c or not) would not fiddle anything, but some might overlook their own improvements now and then if they dont play many comps but play a lot of golf.

I would be happy to stick a score card in every week from a practice round to a major comp, that way its always available for assessment, its all golf after all. With the computer systems available it would not be difficult for every golfer to 'self police' by posting every single round they play on the system and have it calculated instantly all year round. But this would lead to arguments about validity, qualifying etc etc. :(
 
As Murph says: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

I don't mind a high handicapper having a good day as long as he gets his handicap adjusted accordingly afterwards.
 
We have Qual comps each weekend and usually Sat & Sun with a midweek Stableford, yes you get people who want to shoot 48 points or 10 under their hcp and if they don't NR their cards or which is worse shoot a great score and NR cards to bring their hcp back to what it was pre good round.
 
on any given day, one to one, the odds favour a low handicapper beating a high. simple really, the low handicappers average for any hole is nearer par, while the high is nearer double (statistically, on a par 4, a low will score 2 - 6, a high 2 - 9)

but the bigger the field, odds swing more in favour of one high handicapper (out of the whole field) getting it right on the day. but the odds don't favour the <u>same</u> high handicapper doing it very often.

if they do, then you have grounds to whinge.
 
All I'm aiming for when I play any comp is a handicap cut , pure and simple. First thing I go for is the cut then its hitting the buffer. After that its just the best score on the day and hope its not too embarassing.

Dont care if its stableford or medal thats the only thing on my mind. Winning ? not bothered (nice of course), these 48 pts etc bear no relevance to my game or my enjoyment of the game. My sole reason to enter comps is to cut my handicap...full stop.
 
I think thats where I am going wrong, I tend to play to win but in the process end up on my arse after a few holes. This weekend is a Stableford and I shall play to get cut rather than win.
 
I play to satisfy myself, not to win, or get cut particularly. I can play well, and be happy with 30 points, or I can play like a dog, and scalp it round to 40 points and be miserable. I hope that if I play well, I will shoot a good score, and maybe get cut, but I put more store in getting a good strike with a good swing really. Makes me feel almost like a golfer.
 
I've said it before, but I get a better sense of golfing enjoyment if I've hit the ball well even if I haven't scored well (poor chipping, missed putts etc) than hitting poor drives short but straight, a hybrid onto or short of the green and walk away with bogeys and score near the buffer zone. I know I haven't played great but have scored better. Anyone else share this paradox.
 
Homer , I dont see how I could play badly and score well , all parts of the game are of equal importance. To score well as cat1 golfer you have to play well , be it with dynamic short game or very steady GIR golf or even both together most days tbh
 
OK I accept as a Cat 1 then it might not work the same. What I'm saying (badly) is that I can knock it around, hitting bad drives, and getting on the greens for 3 and make 5 (nett 4) nad with the odd flukey putt or half decent chip still post a score on or around my handicap.

My point is I won't derive any satisfaction even if I manage a small cut. OK I'm happy to be cut as that after all is my ultimate aim to play as low as possible, but I'd rather strike the ball well, maybe miss a few greens and fail to get up and down and therefore score as well (or thereabouts). If I am hitting the ball well at least it becomes obvious where the mistakes are (missing too many greens, not scrambling etc) whereas if you are hitting it in patches it becomes harder to see a pattern (hit that green, miss that fairway, miss that chip etc)

It might just be a personal thing. Its the same on the practice ground. I'd rather hit it well if not always as straight as I want (providing I know the cause) than have session where contact isn't so great but they go forward but aren't as long as they should be and don't fly correctly.
 
I've said it before, but I get a better sense of golfing enjoyment if I've hit the ball well even if I haven't scored well (poor chipping, missed putts etc) than hitting poor drives short but straight, a hybrid onto or short of the green and walk away with bogeys and score near the buffer zone. I know I haven't played great but have scored better. Anyone else share this paradox.
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Judging by the (almost) total lack of response, I think that you are on your own here mate.

Re-reading your post, it seems that you get your enjoyment from golf through driving well (good drives spoiled by poor chips or putts, against poor drives etc). I suppose that this is reflected by the amount of time that you spend at the range. Not a criticism you understand, just an observation.

When you get your name in gold letters up on that board, it doesn't matter one iota how well you drove, chipped, or putted. It's the number at the bottom of the scorecard that counts.
 
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