Slow play........ What's the solution?

Slime said:
Not if they let them through.

Slime.
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That in itself just causes slowpoints on the course. It's not acceptable to think it's Ok to play slowly and let people through. Everytime a group plays through it can add 5 or more minutes holdup, even more if the course is busy.
 
North Mimms said:
I have recently moved to a club with large ladies section (section is large, not the ladies!)
Tee times for weekday comp are split into three blocks.
If you want to play in earliest block, you are expected to get round in 3 hours 10 minutes.
And they do!
Slower players must play in later block.

If you hold up the field ,your next tee time will be later. Harsh but effective
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i like the sound of that:thup:
 
But surely part of the problem is that someone who is accused of being slow may totally disagree and merely think that the accuser just plays fast!
Some people would be cosidered slow through no fault of their own due to age, disability, golfing ability etc., etc., etc...
What time of night would they be allowed to play?

Slime.
 
Slime said:
But surely part of the problem is that someone who is accused of being slow may totally disagree and merely think that the accuser just plays fast!
Some people would be cosidered slow through no fault of their own due to age, disability, golfing ability etc., etc., etc...
What time of night would they be allowed to play?

Slime.
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There are obviously perceptions, some right and some wrong.

To some people, anything longer than 2 hours for a 4ball is slow, others think 5 hours is acceptable. A lot of clubs have indications either on boards around the course or on the scorecard showing what is acceptable so it's easy to see who is slow.....or too quick!
 
FairwayDodger said:
It's just anecdotal but I sometimes carry and sometimes use a trolley and there's no doubt in my mind that carrying is quicker. Largely because you can move more directly around the course, walk across greens with clubs etc.

However, I don't think getting everyone to carry (even if possible) is the panacea for slow play.
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You are quite right. I think that clubs could find a way of demonstrating the difference in pace. So maybe get six four balls each playing three holes shotgun start, and time them - then get the same four balls to play the same three holes using trolleys. And see what the difference is. Maybe video a couple (or all) of the sets of fourballs so that members can see the differences in how the four balls played the holes when carrying and not carrying.
 
drive4show said:
That in itself just causes slowpoints on the course. It's not acceptable to think it's Ok to play slowly and let people through. Everytime a group plays through it can add 5 or more minutes holdup, even more if the course is busy.
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My point exactly, letting people through because your slow is good etiquette but only slows the field even further.
Plus if a slow group has to let one group through how many holes before the next and the next and the next. Get my point.

I also love the ideas about time guides at certain points on the coarse/card.

The split tee times for faster, mid pace and slow groups is also a great idea.

Neil
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You are quite right. I think that clubs could find a way of demonstrating the difference in pace. So maybe get six four balls each playing three holes shotgun start, and time them - then get the same four balls to play the same three holes using trolleys. And see what the difference is. Maybe video a couple (or all) of the sets of fourballs so that members can see the differences in how the four balls played the holes when carrying and not carrying.
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Well, unless they play the holes in exactly the same way its a worthless exercise
 
Slime said:
But surely part of the problem is that someone who is accused of being slow may totally disagree and merely think that the accuser just plays fast!
Some people would be cosidered slow through no fault of their own due to age, disability, golfing ability etc., etc., etc...
What time of night would they be allowed to play?

Slime.
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How quickly or slowly a playing group gets round the course often depends on how many times they have to search in the rough, and what sort of trouble they get into. Raking a lot of bunkers can waste a bit of time. Also a bitterly fought match, or players being in contention for a win in a stroke play competition, when they take a lot of time and care over their putts, can slow them down somewhat. :)
 
pokerjoke said:
Anyone who is thinking the problem that creates slow play between carrying and electric needs to come down from the clouds,there are 50 things that are worse imo.
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Not suggesting for a moment that it's the main cause - just one of a load of things that have combined to give us the long rounds we experience today - and I think you've got to tackle them all to make a big difference
 
10-12 minute tee times for 4 balls and enforce start times. Especially to stop the guys that think it's ok to tee off as soon a the group ahead have hit their second shots because they are all ready to play, even if this means teeing off 3 or 4 minutes before they are allocated.
 
pokerjoke said:
Anyone who is thinking the problem that creates slow play between carrying and electric needs to come down from the clouds,there are 50 things that are worse imo.
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This.

I alternate between carrying and using a trolley and I can't say that I notice any difference in pace of play whatsoever.

Slow play is more often caused by players not being ready and players looking for lost balls and not calling the next group through. There's also the occasional player with a ridiculous routine, but that's rare among the players at my club.

Slow play would be mitigated if there was a great big sign on the 1st tee saying "If you're looking for a lost ball, call the next group through while you're looking rather than taking your 5 minutes then calling them through".
 
sybez said:
maybe we're all in too much of a rush to play the game we're supposed to be enjoying. Why not just accept the pace of play on the day and just get on with it rather than moaning? If you don't have time to enjoy a game that may take 4 hours to play.... Don't?
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this....... With knobs on !!!!!!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think Bob is right - the fact that the majority of members use a trolley - and trolleys can't be taken into our heather - absolutely 100% slows things down as players leave their trolley to hunt for their ball; have to go back to it to bring it closer to where it's found - then selecting and changing clubs. All slow things down.
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???????????? iF YOU'VE HIT YOUR BALL INTO HEATHER THEN YOU JUST TAKE A 9 IRON IN and if you find the blasted thing then you attempt to get it out with that.
 
I think the problem comes from everyone wanting to line their shot up like a pro. Taking ages to pick where they want to go and then hover over the ball waiting for the wind to die and then top it 20 yards down the fairway x4 people.

OTT of course but it only needs to happen once in a day for it to slow play for the whole day.
 
I think pace is like driving distance

Folks might disregard their longest drive/quickest round but the next couple become the players distance off the tee/pace you should play at irrespective of the other factors and considerations

I never see posts from forum members saying their club has just measured or re-measured the expected pace at their course so either its being done without member’s knowledge or its not being done, maybe it was done decades ago and doesn’t take course changes into account

Am I a bit cynical in thinking most courses haven’t a sccoby how long a round should take outside of a cursory guesstimate and members are then left to judge for themselves what's slow

I’d even have a fiver each way that there are courses who’ve measured the expected times for a hole from tee to green and not tee to tee ;)
 
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