Slow play again

[Rusty Bucket]

Is the problem not faster players - expecting others to play to a pace that they set ?
When did this culture of victimising slower players, as if they are commiting a crime, come about ?

Agree its not a race nor a crawl but an average reasonable time should be determined as a guide for both fast and slow players to aim towards whilst respecting one and others enjoyment of the game.

 

[D-S]

Is the problem not faster players - expecting others to play to a pace that they set ?
When did this culture of victimising slower players, as if they are commiting a crime, come about ?

If they are polite and due to the fact that they cannot/will not/don’t want to play at the pace of others on the course and therefore call faster players through as soon as they lose ground on the group in front then as far as I am concerned they can take 6 hours to play 18 holes. But expecting the whole field to play at your own specific pace by not letting anyone through is selfish behaviour and merits, using your word, ‘victimisation.

 

[bobmac]

Agree its not a race nor a crawl but an average reasonable time should be determined as a guide for both fast and slow players to aim towards whilst respecting one and others enjoyment of the game.

Totally disagree

 

[PaulMdj]

Then it will be 2 against one and the slow player wont enjoy his round


Wouldn't people enjoy their round more if they weren't being dragged around or held up?


That's the whole point. No-one is telling anyone that they must play faster.

Or the slow one maintains his pace of play and the 2 get frustrated.

 

[bobmac]

But expecting the whole field to play at your own specific pace by not letting anyone through is selfish behaviour and merits, using your word, ‘victimisation.

If the slower players tee off later with the other slower players, the rest of the field who are in front of them wont be affected.
The fast players out first won't be held up, the middle won't be held up and the slow Joe won't be holding anyone up.

Or the slow one maintains his pace of play and the 2 get frustrated.

So the slow player doesn't enjoy his round

 

[D-S]

If the slower players tee off later with the other slower players,

We know this would be a good solution but in the real world it is simply never going to happen no matter how logical or sensible it would be.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

Totally disagree

Thats disappointing given that in my experience the vast majority of players can complete their rounds without rushing within the average round time guidelines.

 

[PaulMdj]

If the slower players tee off later with the other slower players, the rest of the field who are in front of them wont be affected.
The fast players out first won't be held up, the middle won't be held up and the slow Joe won't be holding anyone up.


So the slow player doesn't enjoy his round

Or he does as he’s played at his pace and the other guys go to the bar and moan about him.

 

[Backache]

Capital punishment for recurrent offenders would quickly solve the problem.

 

[Backsticks]

Slow play complainers, who think slower players should either speed up, or wait until after faster players have teed off to start their own round : where does this belief that it is slower player who should adapt to your pace, and not you to theirs ?

Genuine question. Appreciate you can play faster, and may add 20 mins or whatever to your round where you are waiting to play due to the hole not free agead for your next shot. So understand it is not as you would like it. But why the presumption that it is others who should change for you to improve your situation ?

 

[Backsticks]

Capital punishment for recurrent offenders would quickly solve the problem.

Yep. For any group who cannot slow their pace of play sufficiently to avoid standing over shots waiting to play.

 

[bobmac]

We know this would be a good solution but in the real world it is simply never going to happen no matter how logical or sensible it would be.

So lets just do nothing then. Forget a good solution because it would never work despite the fact that it's never been tried.

Or he does as he’s played at his pace and the other guys go to the bar and moan about him.

So everyone behind has to suffer because of one guy?

Thats disappointing given that in my experience the vast majority of players can complete their rounds without rushing within the average round time guidelines.

Did you read my posts?
There's not that many tee times affected, 3 or 4 at each end.
The other 130 players can book as normal because as you say

the vast majority of players can complete their rounds without rushing within the average round time guidelines.

All it takes is a couple of slow groups out early to ruin the day for everyone else

 

[Billysboots]

Start every course with a par 3....
Immediately sets the spacing with no argument or chance to go early.

We are at the other extreme - we open with a par 4 which is within range of the longer hitters, especially in summer.

Common sense would suggest it should be a stand aside hole, where the group on the green allows those on the tee to start, but as it’s probably only a handful of players who will take it on, it does cause some headaches.

We counter it with 12 minute intervals on competition days.

 

[bobmac]

Slow play complainers, who think slower players should either speed up, or wait until after faster players have teed off to start their own round : where does this belief that it is slower player who should adapt to your pace, and not you to theirs ?

I'll try once again.
I am not asking anyone to adapt to anyone else's pace.
If you want to play slow, fine.
If you want to play fast, fine.
Just don't get in each others way and everyone is happy

 

[D-S]

Slow play complainers, who think slower players should either speed up, or wait until after faster players have teed off to start their own round : where does this belief that it is slower player who should adapt to your pace, and not you to theirs ?

Genuine question. Appreciate you can play faster, and may add 20 mins or whatever to your round where you are waiting to play due to the hole not free agead for your next shot. So understand it is not as you would like it. But why the presumption that it is others who should change for you to improve your situation ?

So if a group decide to play a round lasting 6 hours (for example they are all busy videoing each other or simply playing off tees that are totally inappropriate to their skill level) you expect everyone playing in the following 3 or 4 hours to shrug and accept it?

Or is it that you expect everyone just to play at your own personal pace, not slower, not faster?

What is wrong with groups who lose ground on the field letting players behind through?

If there is no room ahead of them therefore they are playing at the pace of the course and that is fine.

 

[bobmac]

So if a group decide to play a round lasting 6 hours (for example they are all busy videoing each other or simply playing off tees that are totally inappropriate to their skill level) you expect everyone playing in the following 3 or 4 hours to shrug and accept it?

Or is it that you expect everyone just to play at your own personal pace, not slower, not faster?

What is wrong with groups who lose ground on the field letting players behind through?

If there is no room ahead of them therefore they are playing at the pace of the course and that is fine.

The last Pro-am I played was excruciating.
We teed off at 1.15 and finished just after 7
It was the last pro am I ever played

 

[Pants]

The last Pro-am I played was excruciating.
We teed off at 1.15 and finished just after 7
It was the last pro am I ever played

Why was that Bob? Amateurs too slow, Pros too slow, either not letting faster groups through as their manhood might be questioned, or was the course rammed with too many players - or some other reason?

 

[Voyager EMH]

At our place

Casual play 4-balls 8 mins apart
Comp 3-balls 8 mins apart
Betterball comp 9 mins apart

Works fine at the start. First and third are long par-4s where most players can play their second shots before the green has cleared. Players behind get to tee off on time.
Second hole is a par 3.

 

[PaulMdj]

So lets just do nothing then. Forget a good solution because it would never work despite the fact that it's never been tried.


So everyone behind has to suffer because of one guy?


Did you read my posts?
There's not that many tee times affected, 3 or 4 at each end.
The other 130 players can book as normal because as you say

All it takes is a couple of slow groups out early to ruin the day for everyone else

If you allow players the choice of when they tee off - Yes I’m afraid.

Your suggested system would only work if people accepted being pigeon holed.

We have 10 min tee offs, normal 4 Ball Comp (Ind Stab) plan a 4hr round, can be 3:40 or 4:15.

 

[bobmac]

If you allow players the choice of when they tee off - Yes I’m afraid.

Your suggested system would only work if people accepted being pigeon holed.

Do you know what self policing means?