Second vote ? Why not .?

Second vote ?

  • No

    Votes: 62 66.0%

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 28.7%

  • Won't change my mind but people should get chance to

    Votes: 9 9.6%
  • Total voters
    94
maxfli65 said:
This, we had our say not only in EU ref 2016 but also in 2015 because an in/out EU ref was in Camerons manifesto and we voted that into power alone (not in coalition....unfortunately), UK public gave him the mandate. No-one to blame but ourselves.
However I do blame Labour for putting Ed Milliand up as leader instead of his brother, fairly inept he was (remember the stone tablet of promises!). So who did they replace him with.... Corbyn....couldn't make it up! SNPs successes have also not helped Labour of course.
No second EU vote, just get on with Brexit, if it's terrible it's our own fault for voting it in. If it's great....then great.:oops:
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And this sensible point of view placed solely on facts, has no place on a forum where Rammel comments rule the roost. Well said Maxy
 
Tashyboy said:
The EU were given the opportunity to support British Mining, my industry with the same subsidies that are/ were given to other countries in the EU. The industry would of eventually closed but the blow was softened. The help never came. Lies from thre main camp, The EU will help industry and trade. I am proof they will pick and choose who they help.
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Sorry for the delay in replying, but been away and just seen this. I'm confused as to how you can blame the EU for the collapse of the mining industry though? Surely that is all on Thatcher? I can't find any material/evidence that the UK Government requested additional subsidies from the EU and they were rejected. Are you able to point me towards some? Interested to learn more.
 
woody69 said:
Sorry for the delay in replying, but been away and just seen this. I'm confused as to how you can blame the EU for the collapse of the mining industry though? Surely that is all on Thatcher? I can't find any material/evidence that the UK Government requested additional subsidies from the EU and they were rejected. Are you able to point me towards some? Interested to learn more.
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I am not blaming the EU for the collapse of the mining industry at all, far from it. And to an extent yes Thatcher set the ball rolling re the end of mining, but Labour did it's fair share of closing just as many mines and helping to kill the industry. The EU towards the end of the industry could of got involved and supplied cash to help with a soft closure of the industry. Instead of the hard closure. You won't find any links to additional or any come to that point any subsidies from the EU. When the last few pits were struggling financially. The banks would give no more loans, ( the land/assets were split from mining to make the industry unviable) the miners were told that the government had applied to the EU for a grant to extend the industry. The EU were aware that the mining unions were pushing for a grant. Eventually we found out that the Tory government went through the false process of applying for a grant, we were informed all along that "these things take time". The Tory government never applied, but more importantly, the EU knew they had not applied and never said owt. We found out when it was to late. So yes I do blame the EU and Labour and deffo the Tory's and Thatcher.

Outta interest, don't know where you can look to see re EU subsidies to the UK industry, but saw an intersting Facebook post the other day. It listed how many UK companies have shut factories and production in this country and taken there production into the EU. With the aid of EU money. Tax payers money being used to ship jobs out of this country. A link to that would be helpful.
 
Tashyboy said:
Outta interest, don't know where you can look to see re EU subsidies to the UK industry, but saw an intersting Facebook post the other day. It listed how many UK companies have shut factories and production in this country and taken there production into the EU. With the aid of EU money. Tax payers money being used to ship jobs out of this country. A link to that would be helpful.
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Can't help you with any links Tashy but I am very aware of how Tata Steel dropped Teesside, and got a huge grant from the EU to set up in the Netherlands. Tata Steel also got paid £650 million when it mothballed the plant - I think they should have paid that back when they didn't un-mothball it.

I'm also aware that my last employer moved some manufacturing from the UK to elsewhere in the EU - it wasn't a consolidation of two plants into one, it was close one in the NE and set up a new one elsewhere.
 
Hobbit said:
Can't help you with any links Tashy but I am very aware of how Tata Steel dropped Teesside, and got a huge grant from the EU to set up in the Netherlands. Tata Steel also got paid £650 million when it mothballed the plant - I think they should have paid that back when they didn't un-mothball it.

I'm also aware that my last employer moved some manufacturing from the UK to elsewhere in the EU - it wasn't a consolidation of two plants into one, it was close one in the NE and set up a new one elsewhere.
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Hobbit my last post was long enough without dragging it on even more, but the Facebook post gave a list of companies who have located elsewhere in the EU. It was astonishing. It made the Remain arguement that leaving the EU will/ May cost jobs weak and hypocritical to say the least. Staying in the EU has cost the UK jobs and we the taxpayer have paid for it.
 
Tashyboy said:
Hobbit my last post was long enough without dragging it on even more, but the Facebook post gave a list of companies who have located elsewhere in the EU. It was astonishing. It made the Remain arguement that leaving the EU will/ May cost jobs weak and hypocritical to say the least. Staying in the EU has cost the UK jobs and we the taxpayer have paid for it.
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That's a very sweeping statement and most likely not true. The EU migrants that are such an issue to Brexiteers are here because of jobs. Some sectors suffered some have prospered. Thought Tories are bragging about unemployment being lowest ever? We're still in EU with this low unemployment. Perhaps your sector suffered as did steel, textiles, all older industires. That's globalisation, not EUs fault. With Brexit we want more globalisation, markets in the raw, trade with whom we want so if anything using your argument we'll lose even more jobs to places that can produce cheaper. Anyway the coal we got cheaper from elsewhere in Europe, causing UK pit closures, back when Maggie was fighting Scargill was from Poland long before Poland joined EU.
 
The coal you got cheaper was because it was subsidised by other countries governments and and EU taxpayers monies 👍. Your money.
 
maxfli65 said:
That's a very sweeping statement and most likely not true. The EU migrants that are such an issue to Brexiteers are here because of jobs. Some sectors suffered some have prospered. Thought Tories are bragging about unemployment being lowest ever? We're still in EU with this low unemployment. Perhaps your sector suffered as did steel, textiles, all older industires. That's globalisation, not EUs fault. With Brexit we want more globalisation, markets in the raw, trade with whom we want so if anything using your argument we'll lose even more jobs to places that can produce cheaper. Anyway the coal we got cheaper from elsewhere in Europe, causing UK pit closures, back when Maggie was fighting Scargill was from Poland long before Poland joined EU.
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I thought that the EU’s protectionism, using tariffs, would protect industries. Tashy could probably speak with more info but I thought the German coal fields received protection from cheap Polish coal when Poland joined the EU.
 
Tashyboy said:
Hobbit my last post was long enough without dragging it on even more, but the Facebook post gave a list of companies who have located elsewhere in the EU. It was astonishing. It made the Remain arguement that leaving the EU will/ May cost jobs weak and hypocritical to say the least. Staying in the EU has cost the UK jobs and we the taxpayer have paid for it.
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I haven't seen the Facebook post in question, but perhaps you are referring to something similar to the one discussed in this article and calls out the facts - https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsource/
 
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