Akie
Head Pro
That would be up to the R&A which incidently is in St Andrews, Scotland
I just meant it wasn't automatic if Scotland got its independence.
Scottish independence
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I just meant it wasn't automatic if Scotland got its independence.
Seriously, can us English have a vote too. The break up of the Union will affect everyone one way or another and I'd quite like to have a say.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
No.
But you do have a point. Maybe you should have a referendum to see whether English politicians should campaign for the union or not.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Hobbit.....that is the problem.....you already have far too much of a say.
The Tories will probably be the main party in the UK for the next 20 years.
There is one Tory MP in Scotland [Repeat ONE]
The Scottish Tories have a lesbian kick boxer as a leader and many in the party wanted to change their name to disassociate them form the Tory party.
That is part of the reason why the UK's wealth is based in SE England.
We just want a fair bite of the cherry.
For me DevoMax would work well, as near to independence as possible without breaking up the Union.
Many folk in Scotland feel as I do but we have no say in the matter as the English will always vote for what is best England and not the Union.
The Tories will probably be the main party in the UK for the next 20 years.
There is one Tory MP in Scotland [Repeat ONE]
The Scottish Tories have a lesbian kick boxer as a leader and many in the party wanted to change their name to disassociate them form the Tory party.
That is part of the reason why the UK's wealth is based in SE England.
We just want a fair bite of the cherry.
For me DevoMax would work well, as near to independence as possible without breaking up the Union.
Many folk in Scotland feel as I do but we have no say in the matter as the English will always vote for what is best England and not the Union.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I think that for the English, devo max would be the worst outcome. Stay or go, but no cherry picking.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Anyway - even if I moved back to Scotland today I'm not sure I'd qualify as I won't have been resident for long enough.
And so I am resigned to not getting a vote. TBH - I really don't understand why there seems to be such opposition in Scotland to giving a referendum vote to folks such as I - borne in Scotland and therefore Scottish. Does someone somehow know how we'd be likely to vote? Have their been any opinion polls looking at this. I haven't seen any,
And so I am resigned to not getting a vote. TBH - I really don't understand why there seems to be such opposition in Scotland to giving a referendum vote to folks such as I - borne in Scotland and therefore Scottish. Does someone somehow know how we'd be likely to vote? Have their been any opinion polls looking at this. I haven't seen any,
Stuey01
Journeyman Pro
Doon frae Troon said:
You could just as easily level the accusation that the Scottish will vote for what they think is best for Scotland, not the union.
And what about the welsh, they should have a say, and the northern Irish.
Strikes me the only fair way to decide on a break up of the union is to give everyone affected a vote, and that would be everyone in the union, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, and yes, English.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
My guess is that the SNP reckon most of you would vote against independence, what with living in the UK but outside Scotland. Much like they think the majority of 16 and 17 year olds will go for independence.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Spot on I reckon.
stevie_r
Tour Winner
Why should you have any right to help determine the future of a country that you left and presumably have no intention of returning to (to be habitually resident) in the near future? A country that, in the unlikely event of the yes vote winning, you would be contributing nothing to. No, you should not get a vote.
It's akin to the expat workers in Libya when the revolution kicked off; they were there for their own financial gain, contributed nothing to the UK economy and yet expected HMG to come and rescue them.
stevie_r
Tour Winner
What is?
lol - do you honestly believe any member of the public influences any party once they're in power?
Anyway, we want your oil money...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
and so after a week in the land of my birth but a land which does not value me sufficient to give me a vote in the referendum - I come away with the overriding impression of everything the YES campaign saying being rebutted by the BT campaign with much "whataboutery". Whilst at the same time when asked about what happens after a NO voter - the BT campaign clam up. Moves towards a devo max and additional powers? - what'll these moves and powers be and when? Silence.
Is that the choice - YES or no change. My impression is that 'no change' is not what the BT team are saying - but ask what change and when and nothing is forthcoming - absoultely nothing. So how can the voters in the referendum make a straight choice. Aspirational if rather undefined stuff from the YES campain - with panic and uncertainty being spread by BT around a YES vote along with obfuscation on their alternative if it is not 'no change'.
Do the voters want no change - or will they vote NO trusting the coalition to deliver something that at present BT and the Coalition can't or won't define. What actually is the choice? Never mind after a YES then what? who is answering the question 'after a NO then what?'
Is that the choice - YES or no change. My impression is that 'no change' is not what the BT team are saying - but ask what change and when and nothing is forthcoming - absoultely nothing. So how can the voters in the referendum make a straight choice. Aspirational if rather undefined stuff from the YES campain - with panic and uncertainty being spread by BT around a YES vote along with obfuscation on their alternative if it is not 'no change'.
Do the voters want no change - or will they vote NO trusting the coalition to deliver something that at present BT and the Coalition can't or won't define. What actually is the choice? Never mind after a YES then what? who is answering the question 'after a NO then what?'
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I think that Devo Max is exactly what the majority of the country want but they are not being allowed to express their preference.
If they get loads of Devo Max spoiled papers in the ballot box what next?
There is no doubt that the SNP are doing a good job running the country and I hope that they will continue to be a party if the No Vote is successful.
The Tories and Lib/Dems are now dead ducks and Labour is an even bigger shambles than when it was in power.
The only hope for the future is that Tories change their name to a Scottish Unionist Party and the Scottish Liberals re invent themselves as a separate Scottish party and New Labour start representing the workers rather than those not in work.
SNP and Devo Max seems like the best way forward to me.
If they get loads of Devo Max spoiled papers in the ballot box what next?
There is no doubt that the SNP are doing a good job running the country and I hope that they will continue to be a party if the No Vote is successful.
The Tories and Lib/Dems are now dead ducks and Labour is an even bigger shambles than when it was in power.
The only hope for the future is that Tories change their name to a Scottish Unionist Party and the Scottish Liberals re invent themselves as a separate Scottish party and New Labour start representing the workers rather than those not in work.
SNP and Devo Max seems like the best way forward to me.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Seems it's a given that a no vote = devo max.
The real disenfranchised are the "no change" or the "undo devolution" voters.
The real disenfranchised are the "no change" or the "undo devolution" voters.
you don't value it either or you would still be here! I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your choice to leave, that's your choice, but theres no point in moaning about something that really doesnt affect your life at all.
P.S Whats British Telecom got to do with it
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
BT= Better Together. [for listeners in England and Wales] = Naw
cheers Doon :thup:
Foxholer
Blackballed
There's a couple of ridiculously insular statements in there imo, particularly the bold bit.
Unless you know SiLH well, the 1st and 3rd statements are pure speculation.
