CheltenhamHacker
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Good call. I could do with an extra hour of sun a day.
That's how it works, right?
Scottish independence
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Good call. I could do with an extra hour of sun a day.
That's how it works, right?
FairwayDodger
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And the scots could use all that fictitious oil money to buy themselves a decent goalie.
It's not us that struggle for decent goalies nowadays! :whoo:
Doon frae Troon
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Goodness England are going to have a 25 hour day............How does that work.
As for goalies.......bet you wished you had not posted that one now.......soooooooo yesterday.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And the scots could use all that fictitious oil money to buy themselves a decent goalie.
Oi! I'm a goalie!!! oh yes...
Actually our keepers aren't that bad - Jo Hart for basketball anyone
Doon frae Troon
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The best England goalie plays in Scotland so he has nae chance of being picked.
He saved three cert goals against Barca.
He saved three cert goals against Barca.
Sweep
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It was one for us oldies.
We still have Gordon Banks :whoo:
Sweep
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I'd vote for that!
I seem to remember they experimented with it when I was a kid. It was brilliant.
Doon frae Troon
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Soapy was being interviewed on the One Show holding the Queens Baton and describing that the hand written message from Oor Lizzie was sealed inside.
'Have you any idea what the script says' asks the dopey Welsh interviewer.
'I think it may be something to do with the opening the Commonwealth Games' replies smart Alex.
'Have you any idea what the script says' asks the dopey Welsh interviewer.
'I think it may be something to do with the opening the Commonwealth Games' replies smart Alex.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes - so do I - going to school in the dark - having to wear reflective arms bands - it was weird. But I forgot that the experiment was from 1968-71.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Maybe her Maj's message she is going to read is something like
"Aw ra best for the referendum Eck - hope youse scoosh it - looking forward to retiring to my holiday home up Dee side and getting masel' and Phil season tickets for the Dons"
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And so - smiling and delighted with Scotland's win over Croatia last night my wife quipped "don't know why you're bothered - they won't even let you vote on Scotland - you might as well support England from now on" Oh how I laughed.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Cunning ploy with referendum coming around - close Portsmouth ship building and keep it in Glasgow. Look how dependent Scotland is on 'the UK' for work - so a 'boost' for BT?
But another way of looking at this is that BAESystems think that the best shipbuilding facilities and expertise are in Glasgow - so why would such facilities not be able to compete for rUK defence work if an independent Scotland came about. After all there wouldn't be any such facility or expertise in England - so where would rUK MoD go? Surely BAESystems Glasgow would be the prime candidate.
So the BAESystems decision could be seen as a massive vote of confidence in Scottish industry and it's ability to thrive in an independent Scotland.
And if there is a NO vote? I await the guarantee from BT and the UK government that the work won't be reallocated from Glasgow to an English yard following the vote - it's job of getting the NO vote having been done.
But another way of looking at this is that BAESystems think that the best shipbuilding facilities and expertise are in Glasgow - so why would such facilities not be able to compete for rUK defence work if an independent Scotland came about. After all there wouldn't be any such facility or expertise in England - so where would rUK MoD go? Surely BAESystems Glasgow would be the prime candidate.
So the BAESystems decision could be seen as a massive vote of confidence in Scottish industry and it's ability to thrive in an independent Scotland.
And if there is a NO vote? I await the guarantee from BT and the UK government that the work won't be reallocated from Glasgow to an English yard following the vote - it's job of getting the NO vote having been done.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Already demands that if a YES vote then work is taken from Glasgow/Rosyth and given to Portsmouth.
This is interesting as it could also be reallocated from Glasgow/Rosyth to Portsmouth following a NO vote if the decision is simply a short term political ploy to support BT campaign.
This is interesting as it could also be reallocated from Glasgow/Rosyth to Portsmouth following a NO vote if the decision is simply a short term political ploy to support BT campaign.
this thread still rumbling on with conjecture and supposition
Foxholer
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this thread still rumbling on with conjecture and supposition
Well, that's the only thing that's possible until next year!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Quite. The BT campaign is all about projecting about the doom and gloom scenarios; the YES campain is visioning on a new future. This shipbuilding announcement is interesting from a Scottish political perspective and how it plays with those eligible to vote in the referendum. Is it in itself a good thing or a bad thing for nationalists (the Yes Team (YT) is not just the SNP btw though clearly primarily it id). It could be read two ways:
1) Bad news from the YT perhaps in that it demonstrates a key industrial dependence upon UK MoD spending that could vanish if there is a YES vote.
2) Good news for the YT in that they can highlight the attractiveness of Scottish industrial capabaility and expertise and it's ability to win business from what could become 'foreign' i.e. rUK customers.
And vice-versa for the BT campaign. 1) being good news for the BT campaign; 2) being bad.
Will the BT campaign be guaranteeing that this works stays in Scotland if there is a NO vote. Can the YT guarantee that the work will stay in Scotland if there is a YES vote.
For me this news is interesting in the context of the referendum.
isnt there a white paper published this month with........some answers?
FairwayDodger
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Fixed that for you....
SocketRocket
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Dont they build ships in Belfast any more? i'm sure they would be happy to get some more orders in the future.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Who is publishing the White Paper? the YT. The BT team will keep their mouths shut about what may or may not happen following a NO vote. Because things will change, but BTdon't want voters to know that. The English electorate are rightly or wrongly completely pee'd off with funding diffrences and such as free prescriptions, university fee etc that Scots get. With a NO vote the risk of separation will have gone, but folks living in Scotland should IMO not be under the misconception that the current situation will remain as it is re Westminster representation, Westminster funding of Holyrood etc. It won't. There will be huge pressure for things to change and if I were a betting man I would bet that those living in Scotland will find they are in for some nasty surprises following a NO vote.
Unless, that is, BT publish a White Paper defining what will not change following a NO.
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