Stick to wrestlingThe other week a friend was asking me to play for his team Border Park, it’s good standard but just friendly games. I explained if I knew maybe half of the rules I’d have given it a shot
woofers
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Did he begin his approach?
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The movement he made is counted as starting his approach
I couldn't hear the commentary but I'd say no. He took a step sideways, stopped to steady himself, but certainly didn't move forwards. It was a sideways shuffle than many kickers do but it didn't indicate a beginning imo, nor in his
. I suspect he will be looking for clarification this week and if the ref was correct he will need to change his routine.
Voyager EMH
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Yes
And it was taking him a long time to take his second step.
Voyager EMH
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No. It was not sideways.I couldn't hear the commentary but I'd say no. He took a step sideways, stopped to steady himself, but certainly didn't move forwards. It was a sideways shuffle than many kickers do but it didn't indicate a beginning imo, nor in his
I suspect he will be looking for clarification this week and if the ref was correct he will need to change his routine.
It was a diagonal step forwards and to the left. More left than forwards, but his left foot moved forwards on the pitch.
The ref acted correctly.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Did we see the absolute extremity of the ’pointed’ end of the ball on the ground? Maybe not. But it’s not the ‘pointed’ end of the ball that has to touch the ground. Did we see any other part of the ball on the ground. Yes. That aside, and nothing else actually matters, but even if we could not see it, from what we could see, the pointed end of the ball must also have touched the ground. Known or Virtually Certain should apply. It was a complete travesty never mind nonsense.
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Did you see the ball actually on the ground on or over the line ? Did the telly viewers get a different feed than the TMO did
It may well have been grounded but the on field decision was no try and there wasn’t not 100% proof that it could be overturned
ColchesterFC
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I don't think that you could definitively see any part of the ball in contact with the ground from the camera angles shown. My opinion is that it is 99% certain that the ball was grounded but with the on field decision being that it was held up there needed to be conclusive evidence to overturn that decision and I don't think that there was. Is it likely that the ball was grounded? Yes. Is it possible to be certain of that? No. Can you definitely say that there was downward pressure on the ball from a Scottish player, rather than from a French player? Absolutely not.
But having said all of the above, I think it should have been given as a try. And if that had gone against England I wouldn't have been happy with the decision.
Bunkermagnet
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I think the Scots had their luck at the start with the high tackle that was ignored.
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Given the on pitch call, that could have gone either way.
Anyone losing on that outcome would have a right to feel bad...
..it cost me my treble bet too
Anyone losing on that outcome would have a right to feel bad...
..it cost me my treble bet too
ColchesterFC
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I didn't see the incident as I was in the middle of cooking a roast dinner and only saw the very end of the final replay on TV, but have seen a point raised on Twitter that I thought was interesting. Ford steps away from the ball when making his movement - as you state he moves left and forwards - but away from the ball. It's almost certainly semantics but can you "begin your approach" by moving further away from the ball?
"Law 8.14 - The opposing team at a conversion: “All players retire to their goal line and do not overstep that line until the kicker moves in any direction to begin their approach to kick."
The law clearly states that the defending team can't overstep the goal line until the kicker moves "in any direction to begin their approach to kick" so the question remains, can you begin your approach by moving further away from the ball?
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Depends where you were born
TigerBear
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Not ignored, not a high tackle, not attacking the neck.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Nigel Owens explained why and I don’t think he’d double down on his view if, on reflection and on seeing it again (and again), he realised he had been wrong.
Doon frae Troon
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Seems to me like all the teams are a bit rubbish this year.
Post World Cup blues or teams rebuilding as part of the next cycle? Either way, can't argue with your summary so far.
HeftyHacker
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Post World Cup six nations are always a bit like this - lot of fresh blood, mental and physical fatigue, new coaching staff etc.
Voyager EMH
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After remaining still for several seconds, first step of approach is with the left foot moving forwards and to the left and nearer to the ball.
Next move was right foot joining the left by moving forwards and to the left and nearer to the ball.
rudebhoy
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Ireland were impressive against the French, they should stroll the competition.
Very disappointed with Scotland yesterday. They were excellent first half in Cardiff, but looks like they have been spooked by the second half collapse. Very cagey and negative yesterday. Poor decision at the end, but they should have been out of sight against a poor French side.
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