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Fine them via penalty shots.
Winning is all they care about, so hit ‘em where it really hurts!
Rory hits spectator on the jaw.
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Winning is all they care about, so hit ‘em where it really hurts!
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Agreed.
briannn
Hacker
Should the stewards officials or playing partners not shout fore if the player that hit it is not willing to shout?
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Start fining a few and they'll soon learn to watch what's going on rather than fiddle around in their bags.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Which will have the secondary effect of imposing a financial penalty far greater than a tour rules official is likely to.
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Imagine missing the tour championship, or even losing your card, but for shouting fore!
That’d change attitudes ðŸ‘
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Fined because you didn’t watch someone else’s golf ball ? Can you really see that happen - it’s not the FC responsibility to watch the ball , most will just walk on as soon as the other player has hit or will start their own routine but sorry i think it’s ridiculous to suggest someone is punished for the actions of others.Start fining a few and they'll soon learn to watch what's going on rather than fiddle around in their bags.
Jacko_G
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Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
If the Tour develops the testicular fortitude to make a decision then yes. Surely as they are attesting each other's cards they should be watching their FC's shots?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Wel, not so much as 'deliberately endangering' so much as 'not attempting to protect'!
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
I think you should read back prior to jumping in with your size 11's.[/QUOTE]
Apologies!
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I think you have to be in awe of the mental fortitude of the pro golfer who is able to keep their trap shut when they see their ball heading towards spectators
It’s an instinctive action for regular humans, regardless how far away they are, and to be able to stay silent shows a strength I couldn’t hope to achieve. To risk serious injury on others for personal gain is a true measure of the man (or woman)
I doubt fines &/or penalty strokes would work. The very next tournament every player would shout Fore on every tee shot regardless if its wide or straight down the middle, why take the risk of an errant bounce or long run out tapping someone on the ankle and costing you 10k or a 1 shot penalty (the caddy would be tasked to do it as routine)
So you'll have 150 players with 18 tee shouts plus 2nd shots on par 4's & 5's that's 8,100 shouts of Fore each day of a 4 day tournament, no spectator will take any notice after the 1st hour
The only hope is to get willing agreement from Pros so that they do it because they actually want to do it to help avoid injuries, and that is a long shot
It’s an instinctive action for regular humans, regardless how far away they are, and to be able to stay silent shows a strength I couldn’t hope to achieve. To risk serious injury on others for personal gain is a true measure of the man (or woman)
I doubt fines &/or penalty strokes would work. The very next tournament every player would shout Fore on every tee shot regardless if its wide or straight down the middle, why take the risk of an errant bounce or long run out tapping someone on the ankle and costing you 10k or a 1 shot penalty (the caddy would be tasked to do it as routine)
So you'll have 150 players with 18 tee shouts plus 2nd shots on par 4's & 5's that's 8,100 shouts of Fore each day of a 4 day tournament, no spectator will take any notice after the 1st hour
The only hope is to get willing agreement from Pros so that they do it because they actually want to do it to help avoid injuries, and that is a long shot
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
A simple solution would be that if a spectator is hit and there is clear evidence the player involved did not shout it's a yellow card. Do it again and not shout its a red and miss the next event. If they were going to miss a major as a result or the end of season PGA cash fest it may get a few more shouting. Fines aren't going to work.
r0wly86
Head Pro
Forget etiquette and what we do on the course. Tour/professional events are a completely different beast to paying at the local course.
Who has responsibility to the paying spectators, it isn't the players, it is the event organisers. They are the ones that have contracted with the public by selling tickets to allow them into the grounds to watch, all duty of care flows from them.
Is Rory negligent for hitting an errant shot, or are the organisers negligent for allowing spectators to stand where there is a good chance a ball may fly?
And as many people have already noted the organisers have marshals everywhere including in which direction the ball is flying, and marshals near the spectators, they are in a far better position than the player on the tee to warn people in the potential danger.
I think players should shout fore as just a way of getting amateurs on the course doing it, in reality though in tournaments the organisers are in a better position to warn and have the duty of care for the spectators
Who has responsibility to the paying spectators, it isn't the players, it is the event organisers. They are the ones that have contracted with the public by selling tickets to allow them into the grounds to watch, all duty of care flows from them.
Is Rory negligent for hitting an errant shot, or are the organisers negligent for allowing spectators to stand where there is a good chance a ball may fly?
And as many people have already noted the organisers have marshals everywhere including in which direction the ball is flying, and marshals near the spectators, they are in a far better position than the player on the tee to warn people in the potential danger.
I think players should shout fore as just a way of getting amateurs on the course doing it, in reality though in tournaments the organisers are in a better position to warn and have the duty of care for the spectators
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Marshalled at Walton Heath today, and spent a lot of the time as a forecaddie. I can now confirm that at 300yards, a meaningful shout of Fore! is distinctly audible.
robinthehood
Hacker
Not all the time for everyone, I struggle To hear from 30 yards .Marshalled at Walton Heath today, and spent a lot of the time as a forecaddie. I can now confirm that at 300yards, a meaningful shout of Fore! is distinctly audible.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
And probably more so if player and caddy on the tee both shout or better still, everyone on the tee shoutedMarshalled at Walton Heath today, and spent a lot of the time as a forecaddie. I can now confirm that at 300yards, a meaningful shout of Fore! is distinctly audible.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Anybody who stands 300yds from the tee at a pro event is trying to get on the tv imo.
It’s the only reason I can think of,
You wouldn’t stand at the end of a firing range, in the road at a Grand Prix.
It’s the worst place you can be.
I have been hit by a ball and it’s not nice.
It’s the only reason I can think of,
You wouldn’t stand at the end of a firing range, in the road at a Grand Prix.
It’s the worst place you can be.
I have been hit by a ball and it’s not nice.
slowhand
Head Pro
Maybe so they get a good view of the subsequent shot from the fairway?
