Roll Back Discussion

[Backsticks]

would there be anywhere to park my horse?
can’t think of any other sport that wants to go backwards.

Its not backwards. Its better.

 

[clubchamp98]

Javelin

You can’t throw a Javelin backwards?

 

[clubchamp98]

Its not backwards. It’s better.

In your opinion.
what about players that can’t reach the fairways now.
courses would have to redesign .
assuming what the pros do we do later of course.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

See, this is a change I could really get behind. But I'd limit to 10 clubs. I think it would bring a lot more benefit to the game than any ball change, and bring benefit at all levels for a variety of different reasons

I’d be happy with 10 clubs.

There is no need to ban the driver. Just lower the maximum tee height.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Its not backwards. Its better.

If it’s better are you playing with 20 year old equipment?

 

[Orikoru]

I’d be happy with 10 clubs.

There is no need to ban the driver. Just lower the maximum tee height.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Only way to do that is make pink castle tees mandatory on tour.

 

[sweaty sock]

Will LIV be a more attractive alternative if they dont impose the local rule?

 

[Shooter McPowick]

It’s going to be a big hit to the ball manufacturers. Every week, as soon as the winning putt drops, social media is lit up with which ball won.

It will be interesting to see the numbers when professional tournaments are being won with a ball the amateur can’t or doesn’t want to play.

 

[Voyager EMH]

They go backwards in rowing all the time.

 

[evemccc]

We should also remove the bounce from wedges. Stop green staff from immaculately preparing golf courses. Remove all yardage markers and distance measuring devices. Let us get back to playing golf exactly as it was played in the 19th century (except, we'll still let women play)

‘Unpopular opinion’ incoming - albeit its never going to happen:

I would welcome this actually. Part of the challenge and the skill of golf is in the golfer’s estimation of the task at hand…there follows his/her choices…and ultimately the accurate execution of the shot required / chosen

Perceiving slope gain/loss, wind speed and direction, air temp and of course, distance to the green and to the flag are integral things to consider in choosing the right shot — the second part is the execution of the shot

The perception / judgement element is why I like golf and a large part of why I specifically love links golf (more wind, more things to factor in) and certain courses and golf holes with elevation changes etc. Accurate estimation is a skill that I think should be rewarded — it’s all very well going on a Trackman and knowing you hit a 9 iron 130 yards and then hitting that shot after consulting a gps and knowing you’re 130 yards out…it’s more skilful - and separates players more - by including the element of human estimation

I often play bounce games without a gps or without looking at it, especially on my home course - and am amazed at a regular PP who despite playing his home course 50+ times per year, has to gps everything, even in a casual game

 

[clubchamp98]

They go backwards in rowing all the time.

The boat dosnt.

 

[sweaty sock]

It’s going to be a big hit to the ball manufacturers. Every week, as soon as the winning putt drops, social media is lit up with which ball won.

It will be interesting to see the numbers when professional tournaments are being won with a ball the amateur can’t or doesn’t want to play.

I wonder how long it will take for us all to munch up the "Titleists most accurate ball ever" marketing and forget all about distance.... worked with balata for years...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Longer hitting has damaged the quality of golf courses worldwide. Most of it has come from equioment. Not the gym. Thats why the average golfer has got longer. Even high handicappers. It isnt because the 25hc is pumping iron at 6am.

Not for the first time and won’t be the last time you are talking a lot of nonsense

Which courses has seen their quality damaged because of longer hitting ?

And as it seems to be a “local rule” for elite comps I’m going to guess that not one single comp will apply it at any elite level

 

[clubchamp98]

‘Unpopular opinion’ incoming - albeit its never going to happen:

I would welcome this actually. Part of the challenge and the skill of golf is in the golfer’s estimation of the task at hand…there follows his/her choices…and ultimately the accurate execution of the shot required / chosen

Perceiving slope gain/loss, wind speed and direction, air temp and of course, distance to the green and to the flag are integral things to consider in choosing the right shot — the second part is the execution of the shot

The perception / judgement element is why I like golf and a large part of why I specifically love links golf (more wind, more things to factor in) and certain courses and golf holes with elevation changes etc

I often play bounce games without a gps or without looking at it, especially on my home course - and am amazed at a regular PP who despite playing his home course 50+ times per year, has to gps everything, even in a casual game

That might not be as unpopular as you think.
I would add yardage books as well.

 

[Orikoru]

‘Unpopular opinion’ incoming - albeit its never going to happen:

I would welcome this actually. Part of the challenge and the skill of golf is in the golfer’s estimation of the task at hand…there follows his/her choices…and ultimately the accurate execution of the shot required / chosen

Perceiving slope gain/loss, wind speed and direction, air temp and of course, distance to the green and to the flag are integral things to consider in choosing the right shot — the second part is the execution of the shot

The perception / judgement element is why I like golf and a large part of why I specifically love links golf (more wind, more things to factor in) and certain courses and golf holes with elevation changes etc

I often play bounce games without a gps or without looking at it, especially on my home course - and am amazed at a regular PP who despite playing his home course 50+ times per year, has to gps everything, even in a casual game

Sorry, but that's me as well. I just do not have the ability to just distance by eye. (It's the same when trying to approximate how many people are in an area, could be 1000 could be 10,000, I have no idea.) Often I'll test myself and think "it's about 100 yards" then get the app out and it's 130 or it's 80 or something. The closest I would use the device for is right down to about 40 yards, just so I know for sure. I guess I'm quite a mechanical player and I do hardly anything by 'feel' as they call it.

 

[Mandofred]

You can’t throw a Javelin backwards?

Hey! You were after a sport where they purposely adjusted the equipment so it wouldn't go too far....the throwers were going beyond the stadium limits. If they hadn't made the adjustment.....the throwers would have been moved out into a big field somewhere without the fans. The equipment and the throwers were overpowering the field they throw on......just like golfers today.

I have thrown a discus backwards in my young days......no cage around the circle then.....zinged right over the people standing there watching.....scared me....scared them. They backed up the next time I threw.

 

[Golfnut1957]

Seriously, how many courses have been ruined because amateurs have gained a few yards?

Keep going, you'll find someone to enter into an argument with you eventually.

 

[need_my_wedge]

Maybe, just maybe....the authorities now know how much gain there is to be had with hitting the ball as far as possible, reigning it back will help level the playing field somewhat.

Thought they already had a level playing field ….? Surely the current equipment rules and regulations make for a level playing field?

I thought the idea of all sport is to win. Those at elite level work harder to improve their abilities to give themselves an edge. Why do we feel those that work hardest should be penalised for working harder?

I don’t get the obsession with reigning it all in. Elite players are elite for a reason, it’s not really down to the equipment otherwise we’d all be smashing it 300+ yards.

Do we slow down Usain Bolt because he runs faster? Limit the length of leg a sprinter can use? Limit how hard or fast a boxed can punch?

Personally I do not care one iota how far the elite players can hit the ball, that’s what they do and why they’re there. I want to see them stripe a drive 300+ yards or drive a par 4 and make a birdie, or play out of the boonies to get a par after putting it in trouble off the tee .. that’s elite golf and what I want to watch.

I’m happy to keep it as is.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Keep going, you'll find someone to enter into an argument with you eventually.

It’s a fair question though - when someone claims that the quality of courses have been ruined then you would expect someone to be able to provide the courses that have been ruined

 

[jim8flog]

Roll back?



It’s not the equipment, tiger was crushing it 300 yards in his early days. Golfers are just athletes now instead of being overweight smokers…

Watch the Shells Wonderful world of Golf films and you will see pros crushing it 300 yards with wooden head clubs and balata covered wound golf balls. Nicklaus was driving the 18th at St. Andrews before Tiger was born.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Keep going, you'll find someone to enter into an argument with you eventually.

Seems like you want to play.

How about answering the question? Oh you can’t because the answer is none.

Thanks