Roll Back Discussion

[evemccc]

Thought they already had a level playing field ….? Surely the current equipment rules and regulations make for a level playing field?

I thought the idea of all sport is to win. Those at elite level work harder to improve their abilities to give themselves an edge. Why do we feel those that work hardest should be penalised for working harder?

I don’t get the obsession with reigning it all in. Elite players are elite for a reason, it’s not really down to the equipment otherwise we’d all be smashing it 300+ yards.

Do we slow down Usain Bolt because he runs faster? Limit the length of leg a sprinter can use? Limit how hard or fast a boxed can punch?

Personally I do not care one iota how far the elite players can hit the ball, that’s what they do and why they’re there. I want to see them stripe a drive 30@+ yards of drive a par 4 and make a birdy, play out of the bookies to get a par after outing it in trouble off the tee .. that’s elite golf and what I want to watch.

I’m happy to keep it as is.

I’m quite sure there are limits to wetsuit thickness that affects buoyancy and speed in triathlon, Olympic swimmers have restrictions on material used for trunks, the UCI famously is very controlling on minimum weight and design in pro cycling

In golf already the slope function is not allowed in golf comps..and driver shaft length has limits, along with construction of the head…

 

[clubchamp98]

Hey! You were after a sport where they purposely adjusted the equipment so it wouldn't go too far....the throwers were going beyond the stadium limits. If they hadn't made the adjustment.....the throwers would have been moved out into a big field somewhere without the fans. The equipment and the throwers were overpowering the field they throw on......just like golfers today.

I have thrown a discus backwards in my young days......no cage around the circle then.....zinged right over the people standing there watching.....scared me....scared them. They backed up the next time I threw.

yes just a joke.
can see the logic for the pros but most of us imo it would be a backward step.

played OCN in Orlando 7600yds of the tips.
four of us single figure players ,couldnt get on the par fours in two with woods.
it was just a slog and not enjoyable.
in the afternoon played 6400yds miles better .
slowing the ball down will cause this for some golfers and can see some not enjoying it enough to carry on playing.
but all depends how much they lose.
some slower speed players might not notice if it’s done properly.
but why just punish someone who has learned to hit it a long way.

 

[Shooter McPowick]

Watch the Shells Wonderful world of Golf films and you will see pros crushing it 300 yards with wooden head clubs and balata covered wound golf balls. Nicklaus was driving the 18th at St. Andrews before Tiger was born.

My point exactly

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s a fair question though - when someone claims that the quality of courses have been ruined then you would expect someone to be able to provide the courses that have been ruined

I would not say ruined but even Augusta has been lengthened and let the rough grow to reign in the bombers.
but they seem to change something every year anyway.

 

[evemccc]

It’s a fair question though - when someone claims that the quality of courses have been ruined then you would expect someone to be able to provide the courses that have been ruined

I’ve not played two of these, but I’m sure that Worplesdon, Woking and Swinley are all of a relatively modest length — SF albeit being less in par. I’d imagine that the famous strategic centre-line bunker on the 4th at Woking wouldn’t trouble an elite amateur as they’d be able to carry it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’ve not played two of these, but I’m sure that Worplesdon, Woking and Swinley are all of a relatively modest length — SF albeit being less in par. I’d imagine that the famous strategic centre-line bunker on the 4th at Woking wouldn’t trouble an elite amateur as they’d be able to carry it

How many elite competitions do any of those course host

Has the course record etc been changed recently ? Are the club members destroying it on a weekly basis.

Distance has not made a blind difference to any of them

 

[Mel Smooth]

Rollback is the motoring equivalent of offering people the opportunity to use an F1 car as a daily driver, while Vettel, Hamilton and George Russel take to the streets of Monaco in a fleet of Skoda Estelle’s

 

[need_my_wedge]

I’m quite sure there are limits to wetsuit thickness that affects buoyancy and speed in triathlon, Olympic swimmers have restrictions on material used for trunks, the UCI famously is very controlling on minimum weight and design in pro cycling

In golf already the slope function is not allowed in golf comps..and driver shaft length has limits, along with construction of the head…

That’s partly my point, golf already has restrictions in equipment that give a “level playing field “ But there will always be elite players that push the boundaries, as there should be.

 

[BrianM]

The balls I’m currently using

 

[evemccc]

Rollback is the motoring equivalent of offering people the opportunity to use an F1 car as a daily driver, while Vettel, Hamilton and George Russel take to the streets of Monaco in a fleet of Skoda Estelle’s

Not really, as I believe the fastest F1 cars were (or were for a long time) the 2004 era cars. Restrictions come and go every single year for F1 and they’re constantly rolling-back, and then pushing the boundaries —- I am not an F1 fan but I know it’s not a year-by-year incremental improvement in speed

 

[Orikoru]

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The balls I’m currently using

You rolled back before it was cool.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I would not say ruined but even Augusta has been lengthened and let the rough grow to reign in the bombers.
but they seem to change something every year anyway.

The masters panel are ridiculous. Didn't overly need to lengthen the course .. half of the fun is seeing someone go for the par 5s in 2

The greens are ridiculous anyways so it's not like it's guaranteed eagle every time with a bomb drive

With all the extra length their adding the course records surely need binning as it isn't even the same course it was set on

 

[evemccc]

How many elite competitions do any of those course host

Has the course record etc been changed recently ? Are the club members destroying it on a weekly basis.

Distance has not made a blind difference to any of them

1) I don’t know…I am guessing / assuming none

2) No idea. I’m not a member. Doubt it

However Phil, it is not unreasonable to posit a suggestion that the reason elite amateur events (or the US Open qualifier) are not held is precisely because of the relatively short length..
But at Walton Heath however….


Edit: Argue/criticise/disagree/agree with what I’ve said, not what you think I’ve said — please

 

[sweaty sock]

Not really, as I believe the fastest F1 cars were (or were for a long time) the 2004 era cars. Restrictions come and go every single year for F1 and they’re constantly rolling-back, and then pushing the boundaries —- I am not an F1 fan but I know it’s not a year-by-year incremental improvement in speed

F1 is a good case study. Restrict the cars, engineers go to work and before you know it the 1.6 hybrid goes as fast as a V8 turbo. Same will happen here. Drag balls back 20 yards, pros will find a way to get another 20 yards.

 

[Oddsocks]

Why don't they just get rid of the driver, reduce to 13 club maximum and put a limit on the length and loft of the 3 wood.

And add a 5th wedge… or a chipper

 

[Bratty]

Jesus Christ you do post some garbage.

Not all heroes wear capes!

 

[Oddsocks]

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Only way to do that is make pink castle tees mandatory on tour.

@Dando @Bratty - how does this sit with you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

1) I don’t know…I am guessing / assuming none

2) No idea. I’m not a member. Doubt it

However Phil, it is not unreasonable to posit a suggestion that the reason elite amateur events (or the US Open qualifier) are not held is precisely because of the relatively short length
Walton Heath however….


Edit: Argue/criticise/disagree/agree with what I’ve said, not what you think I’ve said — please

It’s prob better to assume that those clubs and many others don’t have elite amatuer comps etc because they don’t want them - and that’s very much prob the case for the likes of Swinley , Woking etc

But take Sunningdale for example - hosts elite comps , the quality certainly hasn’t been ruined by people hitting it further.

 

[Bratty]

@Dando @Bratty - how does this sit with you?

This would be the only thing that would make me watch LIV golf!

 

[Dando]

@Dando @Bratty - how does this sit with you?

I'd love to see that