Roll Back Discussion

[Crow]

I’d be 100% behind it

Start the campaign then, you're good at pushing for something against all the naysayers.
If you prove to be correct in your view of the majority of golfers, it should be easy to get a new rules body up and running and the manufacturers flocking in support.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Start the campaign then, you're good at pushing for something against all the naysayers.
If you prove to be correct in your view of the majority of golfers, it should be easy to get a new rules body up and running and the manufacturers flocking in support.

I'd imagine there are people with more influence than me that are looking into the possibility mate. Let's not forget, the PGAT expressed opposition to rollback, as did LIV - I suspect plenty of other tours would follow their stance.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I'm on the ebay-lookout for a Taylormade R360 driver. Played some of my best golf with that until it got banned. Handed to my pro and bought a Ping G10.
Who's going to object if I stop playing with my 20-year-old Cobra F Speed and use a (banned) 1990s 360cc driver?
And I've got plenty of unused 1.62 balls to use as well.
Looking forward to it greatly.

 

[pendodave]

Only 13% recognised the lack of sufficient information - this highlights that the USGA/The R&A need to stop letting the manufacturers set the agenda and control the narrative.

72% of those against the proposed MLR didn't (probably still don't) realise that the pros already play by different rules.
Doesn't seem to me like these were people who really had enough information before giving their opinion.

Tbf, must people are extremely averse to letting information get in the way of their blind prejudices, even when it's freely available.
It seems to be a feature of the human condition. I wonder at what point in evolution it became a selective advantage?

 

[Backsticks]

Tbf, must people are extremely averse to letting information get in the way of their blind prejudices, even when it's freely available.
It seems to be a feature of the human condition. I wonder at what point in evolution it became a selective advantage?

I think that does apply to the wider public. Full timers, charged with the upkeep of the game, are more likely to be fully informed, and guided by information and objective analysis. And so probably doing the right thing, despite the views of Joe Hacker.

 

[Backsticks]

I'd imagine there are people with more influence than me that are looking into the possibility mate. Let's not forget, the PGAT expressed opposition to rollback, as did LIV - I suspect plenty of other tours would follow their stance.

I doubt it. Do you really think so ??? That a small difference in golf ball difference, indiscernable to the vast majority, would cause a schism in golf with regions or gofing groups playing to different rules and parallel authorities and governance. Really ?

 

[Voyager EMH]

Tbf, must people are extremely averse to letting information get in the way of their blind prejudices, even when it's freely available.
It seems to be a feature of the human condition. I wonder at what point in evolution it became a selective advantage?

When all such people began to hold positions of power - you had to agree with them or get beheaded, burned etc.
Too many sensible people were de-selected and those with the blind prejudices survived.
Of course it is not like that today, er, er, not so sure.

 

[Captain_Black.]

I read an article which said the roll back will only really effect those who have a fast club head speed (over 100 mph)
The article reckoned anyone with a club head speed (driver I assume) of 90 mph or under will see no difference in carry distance.

 

[Mandofred]

I read an article which said the roll back will only really effect those who have a fast club head speed (over 100 mph)
The article reckoned anyone with a club head speed (driver I assume) of 90 mph or under will see no difference in carry distance.

Good with me....I'd have to fall off a cliff to get over 90mph on my driver

 

[Mel Smooth]

It's very rare that I'd agree with Brandel, but I doff my cap to him here...

 

[Crow]

It's very rare that I'd agree with Brandel, but I doff my cap to him here...

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Surely that's how you know that you must be in the wrong.

 

[garyinderry]

We lose 10% distance each and every winter and the game is still fun.

 

[Swango1980]

We lose 10% distance each and every winter and the game is still fun.

No it isn't, but it is better than being indoors.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Surely that's how you know that you must be in the wrong.

Crow, I respect your views on this issue, but the majority of people playing golf do not want this change. It simply is not acceptable to make changes to satisfy a small minority.
Only in the wonderful game of golf would we be debating the justification of regression for the sake of the integrity of a few golf courses around the world. That’s the nub of it, isn’t it. You want to see Rory having to hit a 5 iron into a long par 4?
Do you go out on a weekend and wish the ball wouldn’t go so damned far, that you wish you couldn’t make a par 4 in regulation despite hitting two of your absolute best shots…
You might of course, but most people absolutely do not want that.

 

[Backsticks]

Crow, I respect your views on this issue, but the majority of people playing golf do not want this change. HAVE YOU EVIDENCE FOR THIS STATEMENT ? It simply is not acceptable to make changes to satisfy a small minority. WHAT IS THE MINORITY YOU REFER To ?
Only in the wonderful game of golf would we be debating the justification of regression for the sake of the integrity of a few golf courses around the world. WHY DO YOU CALL IT REGRESSION ? THATS SUGGEST PREJUDICE RATHER THAN JUDGEMENT. That’s the nub of it, isn’t it. You want to see Rory having to hit a 5 iron into a long par 4? IT IS ABOUT WHAT FAR MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST MCILROY HIT TO A PAR4. AND AS HAS BEEN STATED COUNTLESS TIMES, TO 90% OF WEEKEND AMATEURS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE INDISCERNABLE.
Do you go out on a weekend and wish the ball wouldn’t go so damned far, that you wish you couldn’t make a par 4 in regulation despite hitting two of your absolute best shot. IS A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. OR YOU MISUNDERSTAND THE EFFECT THE NEW BALL WILL HAVE.
You might of course, but most people absolutely do not want that. HOW MANY OF THE WORLDS GOLFERS HAVE YOU CANVESSED FOR THEIR OPINION ?

 

[Mandofred]

The vast majority of golfers probably won't care. I literally don't care if I lose 3 yds off my drive....as long as it effects everybody about equally. I haven't seen the research that shows that a huge majority of players don't want the change. It's pretty easy to ask questions that will bias the answers one way or another.

Why would anybody care if Rory has to hit a 5 iron? He's a big boy and I'm sure he can handle it.

I'm still going to wait until the head honcho's test and test the final products and then tell people what the effects will be (a long time from now). That I've seen...nobody knows the answers.

 

[Golfnut1957]

The title of this thread needs changing. Every time I have opened the forum since March I have seen this and for a fleeting second thought, tomorrow? Before remembering, tomorrow never comes.

Can it be changed to "roll back announcement sometime in the not too distant future" (perhaps).

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If they do change the balls for all, it's going to be a beggar for the lake ball market . How long from the point of the change until the new stock works it's way through the lakes and ponds? It will be a boom time for ball mfrs, cunning plan of theirs. Everyone will have to buy new for a period of time, no real choice in it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The title of this thread needs changing. Every time I have opened the forum since March I have seen this and for a fleeting second thought, tomorrow? Before remembering, tomorrow never comes.

Can it be changed to "roll back announcement sometime in the not too distant future" (perhaps).

@Imurg I can change it to something like Roll Back Discussion. Seems like a good idea but it's your thread and so the decision is yours. You may be able to alter it or I could. Equally you may get a little chuckle from messing with @Golfnut1957 , and no doubt others . Up to you.

 

[Backache]

If they do change the balls for all, it's going to be a beggar for the lake ball market . How long from the point of the change until the new stock works it's way through the lakes and ponds? It will be a boom time for ball mfrs, cunning plan of theirs. Everyone will have to buy new for a period of time, no real choice in it.

Mind you I don't think anyone will buy a new golf ball in the next three or four years unless they absolutely have too.