Refereeing, again.

[Deleted member 15344]

Dam right.

How about an equaliser 8 minutes into added time of 6 minutes scored by a player who did a tackle just like Eto'o and a player who should have been sent off for biting. Frankie Lampard's sending off when he was the one kicked, oh, and lest we forget the "ghost goal" in the Champions League. So please yes, decisions do swing and fro...

Look like Suarez was tempted AGAIN

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But hey, even Bob the Builder stayed at No1 over Christmas longer than Liverpool, so...

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So your going back years ? Where as this season is the relevant one.

Going back years opens up a whole can of worms.

 

[Fish]

So your going back years ? Where as this season is the relevant one.

Going back years opens up a whole can of worms.

I'm just stating, with all the bleating that is going on, what goes around comes around, we've been hard done by on many occasions, it happens, yesterdays game is exactly that, yesterday, everyone should just get over it and move on....:smirk:

 

[smange]

Dam right.

How about an equaliser 8 minutes into added time of 6 minutes scored by a player who did a tackle just like Eto'o and a player who should have been sent off for biting. Frankie Lampard's sending off when he was the one kicked, oh, and lest we forget the "ghost goal" in the Champions League. So please yes, decisions do swing and fro...

Look like Suarez was tempted AGAIN

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But hey, even Bob the Builder stayed at No1 over Christmas longer than Liverpool, so...

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:smirk:

What is it about this sentence that most football fans just don't seem to understand "the fourth official has indicated a minimum xxx (whatever number it is) minutes added time"

It's a minumum, the referee then adds on any time which he has stopped the watch for during the half and for any injuries/stoppages/time wasting/substitutions which happen during the initial amount of added time.

We have had the fourth official indicating this for a good few years now and still people don't get it.....it's a minimum

 

[smange]

Plus if you want to see bad refereeing tune in to Sky Sports 2 tonight and watch my wee team be on the end of god knows how many poor decisions against The Rangers

Come On Ye Pars!!

 

[Slime]

Well I'm struggling to remember too many instances that have helped us gain points this season- so at the moment I don't see things evening themselves out just yet.

But that's the whole point.
Being a supporter of a particular club, in your case Liverpool, one tends not to see too many bad decisions that go our way, and if we do ........................ we quickly forget most of them.
Please don't think I'm getting at you Liverpoolphil, I am just as myopic, and so are at least 99% of all football fans if they were really honest. It's all part of the job, it goes with the territory and, as a supporter of any given team, it's what we do.


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Dam right.

How about an equaliser 8 minutes into added time of 6 minutes scored by a player who did a tackle just like Eto'o and a player who should have been sent off for biting. Frankie Lampard's sending off when he was the one kicked, oh, and lest we forget the "ghost goal" in the Champions League. So please yes, decisions do swing and fro...

Look like Suarez was tempted AGAIN

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But hey, even Bob the Builder stayed at No1 over Christmas longer than Liverpool, so...

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Haha come on Fishy bringing up a decision from 8yrs ago made by a foreign ref has no comparison whatsoever.

High dangerous tackles should be punished across the game but they're not. We've had a few decisions go against which i'll take, just no moaning when we get them

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm just stating, with all the bleating that is going on, what goes around comes around, we've been hard done by on many occasions, it happens, yesterdays game is exactly that, yesterday, everyone should just get over it and move on....:smirk:

Listen to your manager you would think you were hard done also

Sorry but going back to debatable decisions like the ghost ( it was a goal) goal is irrelevant to what happened yesterday

Yesterday the rev bottled it and it cost us points - so yes I will be unhappy about because I'm pretty sure if the foot was on the other foot you would be telling anyone to get over it

 

[Slime]

Come On Ye Pars!!

Come On Ye Pars indeed.
DAFC are my Scottish club of choice and have been since I was a wee lad.
It's a sympathy thing dating back to, I think, the 50's or 60's.


Slime.

P.S. Sorry chaps, that was a bit off topic.

 

[delc]

So, two games ruined by shocking refereeing again today. Southampton utterly shafted by Mark Clattenburg (again), and Liverpool denied at least one absolute stonewall penalty by Howard Webb, who is apparently the top ref in the country. This is becoming a common theme every weekend now, and with so much money etc riding on each game, is it fair to have people so obviously not up to the job in charge? Is it time to bring in video refs in the stands? Extra officials as the have in UCL games? Or is there genuinely an agenda at the FA towards certain clubs?

I had a go at refereeing when I gave up football. With the amount of cheating and simulation (diving to you) that goes on, it is definitely not as easy as it looks on TV. You also have to make instant decisions without the benefit of umpteen slow motion replays from all different angles. Most refs do an honest job to the best of their ability, so please give them a break!

 

[Slime]

I had a go at refereeing when I gave up football. With the amount of cheating and simulation (diving to you) that goes on, it is definitely not as easy as it looks on TV. You also have to make instant decisions without the benefit of umpteen slow motion replays from all different angles. Most refs do an honest job to the best of their ability, so please give them a break!

Buy this man a beer. :cheers:
The sound of sensibility at last ..................... I reckon all the naysayers should officiate a game or two. That'll wake them up!

Slime.

 

[doublebogey7]

I had a go at refereeing when I gave up football. With the amount of cheating and simulation (diving to you) that goes on, it is definitely not as easy as it looks on TV. You also have to make instant decisions without the benefit of umpteen slow motion replays from all different angles. Most refs do an honest job to the best of their ability, so please give them a break!

Couldn't agree more

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I had a go at refereeing when I gave up football. With the amount of cheating and simulation (diving to you) that goes on, it is definitely not as easy as it looks on TV. You also have to make instant decisions without the benefit of umpteen slow motion replays from all different angles. Most refs do an honest job to the best of their ability, so please give them a break!

The refs in the Prem also get paid very handsomely to do the basics of their job - managers have been sacked on the back of poor decisions in the past , teams lose out on points , possible trophies and a lot of money. Yes they are human and make mistakes but the mistakes are becoming very frequent now to the point it is happening every week - if they can't do the basics and handle the prEssure then they shouldn't do the job

P.s. I'm a fully qualified hockey umpire to national league level both indoor and outdoor

I'm monitored constantly and suffer repurcussions if I make mistakes

 

[Pin-seeker]

Should we be blaming the Refs or should we be blaming the FA/FIFA for not bringing in technology to help the refs. At least it gives Liverpool an excuse for slipping down the table.

 

[Slime]

The refs in the Prem also get paid very handsomely to do the basics of their job - managers have been sacked on the back of poor decisions in the past , teams lose out on points , possible trophies and a lot of money. Yes they are human and make mistakes but the mistakes are becoming very frequent now to the point it is happening every week - if they can't do the basics and handle the prEssure then they shouldn't do the job

P.s. I'm a fully qualified hockey umpire to national league level both indoor and outdoor

I'm monitored constantly and suffer repurcussions if I make mistakes

The top referees get paid a tiny fraction of the wage that a top footballer gets, yet when the footballer makes mistakes, (costing his club points and maybe his manager a job), it's put down to loss of form or an unfortunate error whereas when a referee makes AN HONEST mistake he gets publicly castigated and humiliated ............. double standards shown there by all fans and managers alike.


Slime.

 

[Slime]

Should we be blaming the Refs or should we be blaming the FA/FIFA for not bringing in technology to help the refs. At least it gives Liverpool an excuse for slipping down the table.

How about
1. Blaming the players for cheating
2. Blaming the managers for encouraging the cheating
3. Blame the FA for not introducing massive suspensions for players caught cheating
4. Blame everyone else except the refs. They're on an absolute hiding to nothing so long as the first three points stay the same!


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If players make mistakes then they possibly get dropped

If managers make mistakes then get sacked

Refs need to be more accountable for their mistakes - these mistake cost a lot of money or possible success to clubs

They may not get paid as much as footballers but they are still very well paid

 

[MadAdey]

I had a go at refereeing when I gave up football. With the amount of cheating and simulation (diving to you) that goes on, it is definitely not as easy as it looks on TV. You also have to make instant decisions without the benefit of umpteen slow motion replays from all different angles. Most refs do an honest job to the best of their ability, so please give them a break!

I do not think anyone is questioning the integrity of the refs, but at times they make a total balls up of things. The Eto'o tackle is a great example. If that was Joey Barton making that tackle 30 mins into a game, he would have walked, no doubt about it. When a ref has a great view like Webb did of an incident he has no excuse. He gave the foul, so he saw the incident, yet did not act on it.

Regarding penalties, that is always a tough one. What may look a stone waller on multiple TV replays from different angles, may not have looked the same from the angle of the ref. When TV replay stone walkers are not given, probably 9/10 do not look like penalties from the view of the ref, from what I understand if the ref has any doubt then the book says he is not to give it.

That then leads me into another thing that annoys me, assistant referees. If you are going to have that title then assist the ref. At times the ref does not have a good view of an incident, but the assistant will be looking straight at it and chooses not put his flag up. So the poor old ref is getting abuse for not giving a penalty, when it is the assistant ref that had the best view.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I do not think anyone is questioning the integrity of the refs, but at times they make a total balls up of things. The Eto'o tackle is a great example. If that was Joey Barton making that tackle 30 mins into a game, he would have walked, no doubt about it. When a ref has a great view like Webb did of an incident he has no excuse. He gave the foul, so he saw the incident, yet did not act on it.

Regarding penalties, that is always a tough one. What may look a stone waller on multiple TV replays from different angles, may not have looked the same from the angle of the ref. When TV replay stone walkers are not given, probably 9/10 do not look like penalties from the view of the ref, from what I understand if the ref has any doubt then the book says he is not to give it.

That then leads me into another thing that annoys me, assistant referees. If you are going to have that title then assist the ref. At times the ref does not have a good view of an incident, but the assistant will be looking straight at it and chooses not put his flag up. So the poor old ref is getting abuse for not giving a penalty, when it is the assistant ref that had the best view.

Don't you first and second paragraphs somewhat contradict each other. Eto'o's challenge does look bad from side on, I believe Atkinson's view was down the line which looks somewhat different. And surely you are questioning his integrity by assuming he saw it perfectly; he saw a foul yes, but did he see the full extent of it?

 

[Golfmmad]

So, two games ruined by shocking refereeing again today. Southampton utterly shafted by Mark Clattenburg (again), and Liverpool denied at least one absolute stonewall penalty by Howard Webb, who is apparently the top ref in the country. This is becoming a common theme every weekend now, and with so much money etc riding on each game, is it fair to have people so obviously not up to the job in charge? Is it time to bring in video refs in the stands? Extra officials as the have in UCL games? Or is there genuinely an agenda at the FA towards certain clubs?

I've read all posts in this thread, but highlighted this because..........

The above could have been written 20-30 years ago - nothing changes, refs will always get decisions wrong. And I do hope nothing does change, it will only serve to spoil the game of Football.
I truly believe that the vast majority of refs do an outstanding job - when you consider how fast paced the game is and that they have to make split second decisions. As has already been mentioned - having the benefit of slow mo replays in the studio - oh, it's so easy isn't it?

So, as the saying goes, "it does even itself out over the season".

 

[delc]

I do not think anyone is questioning the integrity of the refs, but at times they make a total balls up of things. The Eto'o tackle is a great example. If that was Joey Barton making that tackle 30 mins into a game, he would have walked, no doubt about it. When a ref has a great view like Webb did of an incident he has no excuse. He gave the foul, so he saw the incident, yet did not act on it.

Regarding penalties, that is always a tough one. What may look a stone waller on multiple TV replays from different angles, may not have looked the same from the angle of the ref. When TV replay stone walkers are not given, probably 9/10 do not look like penalties from the view of the ref, from what I understand if the ref has any doubt then the book says he is not to give it.

That then leads me into another thing that annoys me, assistant referees. If you are going to have that title then assist the ref. At times the ref does not have a good view of an incident, but the assistant will be looking straight at it and chooses not put his flag up. So the poor old ref is getting abuse for not giving a penalty, when it is the assistant ref that had the best view.

The other issue you have to consider is intent. If a player tackles another player with the intent of causing injury, then that is basically a sending off offence. If it is a clumsy or mistimed attempt to win the ball then at worst it is a foul and maybe a yellow card. A referee close to the action is probably in a better position to judge this than an armchair TV viewer. Assistant referees are still basically linesmen, who signal to the referee that a ball has gone over the line, or a player is offside. However they are qualified referees who can spot foul play and bring this to the attention of the referee if he has missed it.