Refereeing, again.
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A clumsy mistimed tackle with no intent can be just as dangerous. - look at the tackle against Aaron Ramsey ?
Still a red card
Still a red card
Golfmmad
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I'm not sure I follow what the link is portraying.
And find it strange that you didn't comment on the rest of my post.
Kellfire
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The link shows what the league outcome would have been two years ago if the most obvious and talked about contentious decisions were rectified. I know it isn't an exact science but it most certainly doesn't even itself out.
Golfmmad
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It's far from an exact science when the so called "contentious decisions" are derived from tv replays, and not in actual time that all referees have to deal with.
Imurg
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All of you who moan about refs need to remember...
A. Contrary to popular belief, they are Human.
B. As a result of A they will make mistakes
C. If they weren't there you wouldn't have a game to moan about.
It is only Football after all.........
A. Contrary to popular belief, they are Human.
B. As a result of A they will make mistakes
C. If they weren't there you wouldn't have a game to moan about.
It is only Football after all.........
chrisd
Major Champion
All of you who moan about refs need to remember...
A. Contrary to popular belief, they are Human. blind but human!
B. As a result of A they will make mistakes. and they certainly do
C. If they weren't there you wouldn't have a game to moan about. what they get paid someone would do the job
It is only Football after all......... not when Crystal Palace play it's not!
A. Contrary to popular belief, they are Human. blind but human!
B. As a result of A they will make mistakes. and they certainly do
C. If they weren't there you wouldn't have a game to moan about. what they get paid someone would do the job
It is only Football after all......... not when Crystal Palace play it's not!
I wish that footballers would respect referees as they seem to do in Rugby. He is there to enforce the rules of the game and to protect the players from injury. Without a ref there is no game. By the way I gave up refereeing because I got sick of being sworn at, and on one occasion even spat at. I decided that there were better ways of spending my time.
bluewolf
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Reading posts by fans of "Big" Clubs moaning about refereeing decisions is priceless...
Try supporting one of the small clubs and see if things even out over the course of a season....
PS. I think that most refs do a great job considering the speed of the game and the ingenuity of certain players who are well accustomed to manipulating decisions. I blame the players...:angry:
Try supporting one of the small clubs and see if things even out over the course of a season....
PS. I think that most refs do a great job considering the speed of the game and the ingenuity of certain players who are well accustomed to manipulating decisions. I blame the players...:angry:
chrisd
Major Champion
Local leagues often run without proper refs and the games get played. I wouldn't get out of bed to be sworn at by some oiks on a Sunday morning but refs should all agree to send off players when they deserve it but there is so much inconsistency in refereeing that it'll never happen
In Premier league football, I never understand why the FA don't approach lower division players and train them and pay them well to referee, it's worked well in cricket with umpires, a good player will usually spot the bad tackle etc more than someone who's never played the game
I think you will find that most referees have played football at some level, and often take it up after injuries have stopped them playing.
MadAdey
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I see the point things like this make, but I don't think it has any real substance to it.
For example team A has an offside decision early on go against them and get denied a goal. The game gets played out and team A eventually gets a goal in the dying minutes to grab a 1-0 win. But what might have happened if they had been given the goal? Would the early goal have kicked team B up the arse and made them go on to a 2-1 win? Decisions early on have a bigger effect on the overall outcome than ones later on, as I feel an incident early in a game can be come back from.
I do think that decisions will even the self out over the year on paper, but not in reality. Take a team on a loosing streak, a decision going their way could get the win that helps get them out of it. That could lead to them getting some confidence and winning a few games, something that may not have happened if not for that decision.
MadAdey
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what does atkinson have to do with it? I thought Webb had refereed it. Watch the replay and you can see how good the refs view was. For the ref to give a free kick, he must have seen a foul being committed. The foul being a set a studs going knee high at Henderson, if he does not see that then how does he give a foul?
MadAdey
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For me all this talk of intent is a joke. How does a ref know if there was any intent, is he a mind reader? A reckless challenge is a reckless challenge and going for the ball with your studs showing at knee height is reckless. I do not think that players ever make a reckless challenge with intent to injure, well not very often anyway, but they still have to sent off for challenges like that.
FIFA define fouls in 3 ways. Careless, Reckless and Excessive Force. If you read them there is no talk of intent, that is just a pundit rule that they like to make up.
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You can usually tell by a player's eyes and body language if he is losing his temper or getting frustrated. You may remember David Beckham being sent off in a World Cup match for taking a fairly innocuous kick at a player who had just brought him down. It was totally unnecessary, as the ref had already given the foul, and probably deserved a sending off. In terms of reckless challenges, all players know that they should be in control and not show their studs. If they have no chance of winning the ball, they should stay on their feet and try and do something useful instead. The other thing I find annoying is all the shirt pulling and holding that goes on in the penalty area when a free kick or corner kick is being taken. Problem from a ref's point of view is that it is often six of one and half a dozen of the other, so who do you penalize?
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Blue in Munich
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My mistake with Atkinson, it was Webb but the point remains the same; the view he had might be good, but was it the best angle to see what actually happened? He's seen a foul but did he see the full extent of the foul and balls up as you suggest, or see what appeared to be a lesser foul and gave the decision accordingly.
No he isn't but you apparently are; you KNOW that Webb saw everything and chose not to do his job, rather than give him the benefit of the doubt that he might actually not have seen what you think he did.
Like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4
How on earth did I miss that first time around? I got the 13 passes as well but I was obviously so fixated I missed the bear which walked through the middle! Very good point made :thup:
Doon frae Troon
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Both of them of course.
Refs need to step up, a few double sending offs for this type of offense will soon tidy it up.
But would it, the problem you will have immediately is some refs will and some refs won't, that is the main issue throughout, there is no consistency!
Skrtel would be off immediately, even Jamie Carragher states he concentrates on the man instead of the ball all the time, he was all over Kompany the other day and the ref did squat!
What happened to that new rule/law where if players befriended the ref he walked the original offence up 10yds like in Rugby, did that get removed or was it just trialled or has it just faded away as the refs show no consistency or grow some to use it?
Then you have idiots like Andy Gray and other pundits who will say, he hasn't sent him off luckily because it would ruin the game being so early! tough titty, if its a foul, its a foul, and the time of play should make no difference, deal with it!
Whilst we have all these inconsistencies it will stay the same, its what makes our game so great in some ways, its not sterile, the decisions will go with you sometimes and other days they won't, it makes the game more passionate, human and debatable.
Technology on the line, definitely, refs being more consistent, yes, but lets not sterilise the game to much.
chrisd
Major Champion
Not true I'm afraid.
I know a referee who met with a Premier League ref and he was told that the league had instructed the PL refs to go easy on the awarding off penalties for this problem. The rationale was that, whilst everyone got annoyed when the refs didn't give their side a penalty, the league said that research showed that fans didn't want to see loads of penalties in games. So the fact is that they do see shirt pulling, holding etc just as much as us but don't give free kicks as they are instructed not to.
My source on this is pretty impeccable
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