Rangers in Trouble Again

[FairwayDodger]

My question about what would the 3 bears bring in comparison was geared towards this chain of thought.

Right now the shareholding of Rangers has been diluted so much that should the 3 bears gain control how would they fund anything without diluting the shares further and begging to the suffering fans again? Neither of these business men will put serious amounts of their own cash in with no guarantee of a return for their investment. Right now Rangers cannot afford to run on it's own 2 feet (hence the Ashley loans) and this £10m loan is going no-where, it is currently Rangers biggest debt and when you consider what income the club generate now a £10m is a huge debt to carry and even if the 3 bears get control this debt will still be there regardless of who takes it on.

It's only going to get messier IMO

£5m, at the moment. Another £5 available if (when) they need it. Hopefully he'll have been run out of town before then.

3 bears offered the money as well so they have it.

A big part of the reason (not by any means the only reason) for the current financial mess is the board made very optimistic estimates for ticket sales etc but the fans have disengaged completely and will not be back until we have a new regime.

Assuming the EGM succeeds and a new board is in place just compare the attendances immediately afterwards with those so far this season.

 

[Slab]

And now the London hotel has cancelled the booking Rangers had for their EGM next month !

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And now the London hotel has cancelled the booking Rangers had for their EGM next month !

Can't understand why they went to London when Manchester have loads of posh hotels.

 

[Slab]

Can't understand why they went to London when Manchester have loads of posh hotels.

I think you can!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Much better performance from The Rangers last night, especially the second half. Probably the best they have played this year.
Strange game, Rangers were all over Hibs but still lost 2-0.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Morning!



9-1

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Much better performance from The Rangers last night, especially the second half. Probably the best they have played this year.
Strange game, Rangers were all over Hibs but still lost 2-0.

I wanted to ask, having watched last night's game, if that was typical of Rangers and the league in which they play.

Being a child of the late 40's I grew up in a time when Scottish domestic football compared well with the game in England and as recently as the 90's the top two would have held their own against the leading Premier League teams.

In recent times I have seen very little of Scottish football but, of course, knew that the Sky money had made a major difference. What I hadn't realised was how great the difference had become.

That game was being played by two of the top teams in the second tier of Scottish football and since I watch the English Championship live I would have to say that, based upon that performance, neither team would survive at the equivalent level down South.

I admire the supporters with nearly 30,000 I believe turning out on a Friday night to watch that.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I wanted to ask, having watched last night's game, if that was typical of Rangers and the league in which they play.

Being a child of the late 40's I grew up in a time when Scottish domestic football compared well with the game in England and as recently as the 90's the top two would have held their own against the leading Premier League teams.

In recent times I have seen very little of Scottish football but, of course, knew that the Sky money had made a major difference. What I hadn't realised was how great the difference had become.

That game was being played by two of the top teams in the second tier of Scottish football and since I watch the English Championship live I would have to say that, based upon that performance, neither team would survive at the equivalent level down South.

I admire the supporters with nearly 30,000 I believe turning out on a Friday night to watch that.

TBH I think The Rangers and Hibs would struggle to stay in the SPL, if promoted.
Hearts would be mid-table.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Morning!



9-1

Is that the the latest odds on The Rangers to gain promotion to the SPL:lol:

 

[Bobirdie]

I wanted to ask, having watched last night's game, if that was typical of Rangers and the league in which they play.

Being a child of the late 40's I grew up in a time when Scottish domestic football compared well with the game in England and as recently as the 90's the top two would have held their own against the leading Premier League teams.

In recent times I have seen very little of Scottish football but, of course, knew that the Sky money had made a major difference. What I hadn't realised was how great the difference had become.

That game was being played by two of the top teams in the second tier of Scottish football and since I watch the English Championship live I would have to say that, based upon that performance, neither team would survive at the equivalent level down South.

I admire the supporters with nearly 30,000 I believe turning out on a Friday night to watch that.

The tv money has made the english leagues what they are.

 

[User62651]

TV money has put the English game to the very top, Spain may disagree but they don't have as many good teams as England does so is a weaker league imo. Germany has one great club team at the moment supplying half their national WC winning side so whilst their league is a great model it isn't very strong. Italy has gone way down from where it was as the top league in 80's/90's.
Comparing the Scottish game nowadays it is obviously poor compared to England but so is every other league in European countries with lower populations, even Holland, don't see that as a problem. For me problems are there are too many clubs in Scotland serving up a mediocre product when people are both broke and more interested in doing other things than watch football. Scotland should adopt the winter close season and play through summer like the Scandinavian countries. Powers that be cant see the bigger picture imo.
Rangers and Celtic punched way above their weight for decades before money took over, followed for a while by Fergie's Aberdeen in the 80's and all 3 won European trophies. Credit to Rangers and Celtic for both making the UEFA cup final in the noughties against the odds. Englands problem is the money is restricting development of English players as its easier to buy a good proven foreigner than develop English players. Cant have your cake and eat it, if you want the best richest league then you have to forsake a weaker national team. Spains and Germanys top sides seem to be filled with players from Spain and Germany, unlike Englands top club sides. Media shouting about Harry Kane but he's not all that imo, who are the good English players these days? Takes a bit of thinking about now Gerrard/Lampard are done and Rooney is getting older. Scotland has no answer but I would say Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Inverness, even Hamilton are playing a much improved football than a few years ago. Celtic are half decent as always. Rangers are poor and have a long long way to go yet but I expect they'll get there in time, but a good coach is needed badly.

 

[Bobirdie]

The spanish league is a far better league. It produces so many good players on limited funds outside the big 2.

The only reason the english league is a good league is because they are buying players in from all around the world, notably spain! Just look at the national team. The league hasnt produced players of any 'top' quality in years

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Interesting fact with the sacking of Paul Lambert the EPL/Old 1st Division is without a Scottish manager.
Don't know if that has happened before.

 

[evahakool]

Interesting fact with the sacking of Paul Lambert the EPL/Old 1st Division is without a Scottish manager.
Don't know if that has happened before.

If you take out Shankly Nickolson, Ferguson and Dalgish Scots managers have a very poor record of managing in England.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you take out Shankly Nickolson, Ferguson and Dalgish Scots managers have a very poor record of managing in England.

Busby

 

[evahakool]

Busby

Yea how I could I forget about him, Busby, Nickelson, Ferguson , Shankly no doubt the best managers that's been, but if you think of the history of the premiership there is a lot of scots managers that have not been a success .

 

[ger147]

Yea how I could I forget about him, Busby, Nickelson, Ferguson , Shankly no doubt the best managers that's been, but if you think of the history of the premiership there is a lot of scots managers that have not been a success .

And not a single English manager has won the EPL.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yea how I could I forget about him, Busby, Nickelson, Ferguson , Shankly no doubt the best managers that's been, but if you think of the history of the premiership there is a lot of scots managers that have not been a success .

Lots of English havent been a success

Think Wilkinson was last Englishman to win title

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Folk tend to forget that George Graham won six trophies at Arsenal.
I think Tommy Doc at Chelski and ManU won a few as well.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I presume that the Nickelson referred to is,in fact, the old Spurs boss Billy Nicholson.

If so then the border between England & Scotland must have been in a completely different place all those years ago.

As for Docherty I don't think too many supporters of the clubs he was involved with would rank him amongst their club's greatest managers.

One FA Cup win and the League Cup when it was even more low-key than now means he cannot be mentioned in the same thread as Busby, Shankly or Ferguson.