Rangers in Trouble Again

[Val]

If you take out Shankly Nickolson, Ferguson and Dalgish Scots managers have a very poor record of managing in England.

Better than English managers I suppose

 

[Doon frae Troon]

According to the Maley Dale Ally McCoist was considered for the Villa job

 

[Deleted member 18588]

According to the Maley Dale Ally McCoist was considered for the Villa job

Based upon the evidence of today's first half whoever didn't get that job is the lucky one.

Mind you, from those "in the know" I don't believe he ever was under consideration.

 

[CMAC]

I know someone who says he really knows someone who has the ear of the man who works very near to Tom Fox.

He said it's true. I have no reason to doubt him....

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I know someone who says he really knows someone who has the ear of the man who works very near to Tom Fox.

He said it's true. I have no reason to doubt him....

After McLeish and then Lambert no chance for another Scot!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Better than English managers I suppose

Certainly very true historically over the last 40 years or so - maybe Clough was the last really true successful English manager.

 

[Foxholer]

I know someone who says he really knows someone who has the ear of the man who works very near to Tom Fox.

He said it's true. I have no reason to doubt him....

He doesn't drive trains does he?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Certainly very true historically over the last 40 years or so - maybe Clough was the last really true successful English manager.

English or Scottish makes no difference.

Got to have the opportunities at the leading clubs if they are to achieve.

Fergie had 27 years at Man U to achieve what he did but otherwise, in the last 20 years, how many British managers have been given a chance at a well-resourced club.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Certainly very true historically over the last 40 years or so - maybe Clough was the last really true successful English manager.

Never thought i'd read that from a scouser.
Bob Paisley anyone??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

English or Scottish makes no difference.

Got to have the opportunities at the leading clubs if they are to achieve.

Fergie had 27 years at Man U to achieve what he did but otherwise, in the last 20 years, how many British managers have been given a chance at a well-resourced club.

How many British managers do you think right now would be worthy of that chance ?

Currently we are giving one a chance , in fact last three managers have been.

But looking around its a very thin bunch of British managers pulling up trees enough to point to be given a crack at a well resourced club

Eddie Howe ?
Sean Dyche ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Never thought i'd read that from a scouser.
Bob Paisley anyone??

Clough was still going after Bob retired hence why said he was the last one :thup:

 

[evahakool]

Better than English managers I suppose

Yea English managers have fared no better, Bob Paisley was the last English manager that was really successful and that seems along time ago.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Clough was still going after Bob retired hence why said he was the last one :thup:

Ah true..
I know this will grate a little, but don't you think Howard Kendalls worth a shout ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

How many British managers do you think right now would be worthy of that chance ?

Currently we are giving one a chance , in fact last three managers have been.

But looking around its a very thin bunch of British managers pulling up trees enough to point to be given a crack at a well resourced club

Eddie Howe ?
Sean Dyche ?

I hope that Rodgers is a success but, with all due respect, I was referring to the four clubs with the greatest financial resources.

Man U got their fingers burned with Moyes so, unfortunately, I don't envisage them going down the domestic route in the future nor do I see Wenger's ultimate replacement being homegrown.

Chelsea & City seem set on the idea that foreign is best (even Grant or di Matteo, neither of whom had much of a CV before their appointment).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ah true..
I know this will grate a little, but don't you think Howard Kendalls worth a shout ?

Yeah got a few titles and cups so certainly a success

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I hope that Rodgers is a success but, with all due respect, I was referring to the four clubs with the greatest financial resources.

Man U got their fingers burned with Moyes so, unfortunately, I don't envisage them going down the domestic route in the future nor do I see Wenger's ultimate replacement being homegrown.

Chelsea & City seem set on the idea that foreign is best (even Grant or di Matteo, neither of whom had much of a CV before their appointment).

Homegrown haven't exactly ripped up trees

England's worst two recent managers - both home grown

Man Utd - home grown

Ours - Home grown

Arsenal , City - home grown

The game isn't really bursting at the seems with managers that look like they are worthy of the step up or the chance to be given the role

The top clubs will more than likely look towards the established proven successful managers ( Di Matteo was caretaker and was forced to be given the role after winning CL , Grant was also caretaker )

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Homegrown haven't exactly ripped up trees

England's worst two recent managers - both home grown

Man Utd - home grown

Ours - Home grown

Arsenal , City - home grown

The game isn't really bursting at the seems with managers that look like they are worthy of the step up or the chance to be given the role

The top clubs will more than likely look towards the established proven successful managers ( Di Matteo was caretaker and was forced to be given the role after winning CL , Grant was also caretaker )

England's two foreign managers were hardly unqualified successes (South Africa 2010!).

Man U; well whoever followed Fergie was on a hiding to nothing

In Liverpool's case I think you are being unduly harsh on Dalglish

Arsenal last had another manager, British or otherwise, 20 years ago and Mancini & Pellegrini are the only two to really benefit from the Abu Dhabi billions.

Was Scolari a success at Chelsea?

My point is without being given opportunities we will never know what British managers may have to offer.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My point is without being given opportunities we will never know what British managers may have to offer.

Redknapp has had numerous opportunities. He's not been a success and the only thing he'll offer is financial instability as he wheels and deals

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Redknapp has had numerous opportunities. He's not been a success and the only thing he'll offer is financial instability as he wheels and deals

Much as I can't stand the bloke the only comparatively big club where he was given a chance was Spurs and he didn't do too bad a job there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

England's two foreign managers were hardly unqualified successes (South Africa 2010!).

Man U; well whoever followed Fergie was on a hiding to nothing

In Liverpool's case I think you are being unduly harsh on Dalglish

Arsenal last had another manager, British or otherwise, 20 years ago and Mancini & Pellegrini are the only two to really benefit from the Abu Dhabi billions.

Was Scolari a success at Chelsea?

My point is without being given opportunities we will never know what British managers may have to offer.

Eriksson certainly reached the levels you would expect of the England

And Kenny wasn't our worst manager - that was Hodgson but Kenny was given lots of money and didn't oerform

Scolari wasn't given a season

Managers need to earn the chance and I can't recall many British managers who have earned that chance - Moyes and looked how that fared

If one of the top clubs lost their manager right now - which British manager do you think they should give a chance too and based on what ?