Random Irritations

[Deleted member 15344]

Graf for me is a greater player than Williams , or should I say a more skillfull player , more ability

Williams was a lot about her power

As for the best ever - It’s very close call between Nadal and Federer I guess but surely Djokovic must be in that conversation and I would have him just above Nadal

 

[chrisd]

Graf for me is a greater player than Williams , or should I say a more skillfull player , more ability

Williams was a lot about her power

As for the best ever - It’s very close call between Nadal and Federer I guess but surely Djokovic must be in that conversation and I would have him just above Nadal

Sampras and McEnroe ?

 

[Papas1982]

Sampras and McEnroe ?

I grew up watching Sampras. For me he warrants a spot, but think overall his style would struggle in this era. Returning has become so much more key than serve and volley.

Re McEnroe, I think when past greats are discussed in the future, It's hard to make a case for someone with only a third of the amount of major titles as the guy on top.

 

[Papas1982]

Just prior the Stephens and Kontas match they announce Andy Murray has won his first set....

Didnt think he'd entered the singles this year?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sampras and McEnroe ?

Sampras will prob go down as the best serve and volley player but he relied so much on that heavy serve , for me Agassi was a better all round player than Sampras. McEnroe wasn’t superb no doubt

 

[Pin-seeker]

Federer & Williams must be the best as they’ve won the most grand slams🤷‍♂️

 

[Kellfire]

The Tour de France.

 

[chrisd]

Sampras will prob go down as the best serve and volley player but he relied so much on that heavy serve , for me Agassi was a better all round player than Sampras. McEnroe wasn’t superb no doubt

To be fair, it's the same in any sport you cant compare players of the past to current.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Sampras and McEnroe ?

Borg?

 

[chrisd]

Borg?

Never saw him live but a top player in his time

I'll give you Borg and raise you Rod Laver !

 

[Wolf]

It could be argued that of Nadal equals Federer overall slam number which is still possible then he'd be the better player of their generation due to a far superior head to head ratio.

 

[Hobbit]

Never saw him live but a top player in his time

I'll give you Borg and raise you Rod Laver !

John Newcombe...

 

[Papas1982]

It could be argued that of Nadal equals Federer overall slam number which is still possible then he'd be the better player of their generation due to a far superior head to head ratio.

I think even if he doesn't equal it that could be said. Between themselves Rafa is the better player. I just feel rafas game is far better suited to this era than any other....

Plus everyone loves Fed....

 

[Wolf]

I think even if he doesn't equal it that could be said. Between themselves Rafa is the better player. I just feel rafas game is far better suited to this era than any other....

Plus everyone loves Fed....

Completely agree, I actually really enjoy how Rafa plays, his athleticism and determination. He has his quirks but I'm a real fan.

Also enjoy watching Federer play but for different reasons. Easily could fit into any period of play with his style.

 

[MegaSteve]

I think she has more guile than her sister but usually can simply overpower her opponents. I recall her stuggling during the early stages of her career against those with skill.

For me she would dominate any era due to her power, where as in the men's game imo only really Federer has shown he can compete against multiple styles.

I do think she's had little competition though.

I would argue Margaret Court would be more than able to hold her own against any player from the modern era... 24 singles grand slam titles says it all...

 

[Papas1982]

I would argue Margaret Court would be more than able to hold her own against any player from the modern era... 24 singles grand slam titles says it all...

Can’t really comment on her too much as way before my time. I’d question your assertion “she’d be more than able to” simply because of 24 majors. Of course there are probably lots of reasons why she could. But your line would suggest that if Serena gets to 25 then all of a sudden Margaret is out of the question?

After a little google it lists her one handed backhand as a strength. Imo I think any player in the women’s game attempting 1 handed backhands against the power of Williams is going to be up against it...

 

[MegaSteve]

Can’t really comment on her too much as way before my time. I’d question your assertion “she’d be more than able to” simply because of 24 majors. Of course there are probably lots of reasons why she could. But your line would suggest that if Serena gets to 25 then all of a sudden Margaret is out of the question?

After a little google it lists her one handed backhand as a strength. Imo I think any player in the women’s game attempting 1 handed backhands against the power of Williams is going to be up against it...

Sadly, for me, I am plenty old enough to have seen MC play... My assertion, in these circumstances, is put modern kit, physical conditioning and coaching at the disposal of older era players that had the talent of Court/Laver they'd be more than capable of holding their own...

 

[Papas1982]

Sadly, for me, I am plenty old enough to have seen MC play... My assertion, in these circumstances, is put modern kit, physical conditioning and coaching at the disposal of older era players that had the talent of Court/Laver they'd be more than capable of holding their own...

That may well be true. I can only comment on sports I’ve witnessed. Football for example shows that the footballers of today are far more devoted to fitness now than they were in the past. That’s not because of tech.

On a talent level I’m not denying that the players you’ve mentioned, and many others may have had as much natural talent. But we can only compare how good they actually were, not how good we think they may have been.....

 

[Beezerk]

On behalf of my wife. She is at Wimbledon today, court 1. Centre court has Federer followed by Nadal. She has Serena Williams, brute force loads of errors all round, Joanna Konta, less force even more mistakes, Dan Evan's, British player who isn't that good. The first 2 could be over in an hour apiece.

She will still enjoy the day, it's an event, but she has been short changed with the running order.

First world problem eh?

 

[USER1999]

Just goes to show, small engines in big bodies don't work that well. Manufacturers don't seem to get it though.
Currently have a 335d Touring which is
a 3 litre twin turbo and I am getting 44mpg in that.

PS the C63 was giving me 19mpg 😂. But it was awesome.

You are lucky to have some decent roads to bang it down. I get 25 out of my CLS63AMGS as it rarely gets going properly. North London, not the ideal arena for a beast.