Random Irritations

Blue in Munich said:
Set lists relate to the songs played at live concerts, the rant relates to the sometimes completely unfathomable choices that artists make on them; Bon Jovi left out Dry County and played nothing from the These Days album, yet found room for Captain Crash; Billy Joel played only 11 of the 19 tracks on his Greatest Hits album, leaving out Goodnight Saigon on the basis it was depressing yet played The Downeaster Alexa which is hardly a barrel of laughs; and Eagles included numbers from Joe Walsh’s James Gang days, yet somehow couldn’t find room for The Last Resort.

I realise song choices are personal but I’d suggest that there are some that are that iconic that they shouldn’t be overlooked and discussing this waiting on platforms afterwards it seems I wasn’t alone in my thoughts.
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My favourite performer (Jimmy Bufett) has his 'Big 8' (extended to 9, 10 or 12!) that feature at nearly every show. Here's some stats (thanks Wikipedia!) from several years of his touring (how/why would these be gathered!!)... 'In the years 2010-2016, in 262 advertised appearances Buffett performed the song "Margaritaville" 248 times, "Son of a Son of a Sailor" 236, "Volcano" 235, "Changes in Attitudes" "235, "Come Monday" 235, "Fins" 232, "A Pirate Looks at 40" 232, "Cheeseburger in Pardise" 228, "Five O'Clock Somewhere" 225, "One Particular Harbor" 221, and "Southern Cross" 220. (Many of the appearances had short set lists such as guesting on television shows).'
And from the same source....
'In an interview on KLBJ radio in Austin, TX on May 2, 2013, Buffett humorously referred to the fact that they have to "play the ten that everyone wants, or else we'll get killed"... '

My most recent concert (Mark Knopfler) was named after his latest album, but had surprisingly few songs from it - not that that detracted, as his 'back catalog' is phenomenal!
 
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Played in the club's main open comp yesterday. Turned up for 1st round and was advised that our normal flag position coloured flags (front, middle or back) flags were not in use for the comp - instead we have a detailed flag position measurements sheet. No problems there until I spotted that flag position distance front to back was from the front of the green. Now, without pacing distance out or asking a PP, how on earth do I know how far I am from the front of the green if I do not have a measuring device? We have 150yd posts and fairway watering with distances to the centre of the green - so why not give flag position relative to centre of the green.

Yes I know - I should buy a gizmo and issue goes - but why should I have to do that to be able to take advantage of such information to know where the flag is on the green - because without the F/M/B flags I do not know and have to guess.
 
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Blue in Munich said:
I’ve had a look at the set lists for 2 of the 3 groups tours; Eagles is exactly the same set list including the running order at the last 3 venues, which puts paid to that theory; Bon Jovi have made little tweaks but still haven’t pulled in the missing ones or excluded the dross.
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I mean per tour not just per night. A lot of bands will keep the same setlist every night for a whole tour. They may choose to take out a song that they played on the previous tour if they're a bit bored of playing it.

chrisd said:
But surely its because of playing those songs that make people spend fortunes on tickets to see them, the gigs are for their fans and shouldn't be for their own self indulgence. I saw Gary Moore a few times and he never would play Parisienne Walkways and Fleetwood Mac dont do Albatross, (although I've seen Peter Green do it twice)
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The ones he quoted are hardly the biggest hits though. I mean here's a list of how many times Bon Jovi has played all his songs, 'Dry County' (which I've never heard of) comes in at #48: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/bon-jovi-33d6b851.html There are even four covers he's played more times than that. As the old saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time. If he didn't play Living On A Prayer then you'd probably have a case. :LOL:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Played in the club's main open comp yesterday. Turned up for 1st round and was advised that our normal flag position coloured flags (front, middle or back) flags were not in use for the comp - instead we have a detailed flag position measurements sheet. No problems there until I spotted that flag position distance front to back was from the front of the green. Now, without pacing distance out or asking a PP, how on earth do I know how far I am from the front of the green if I do not have a measuring device? We have 150yd posts and fairway watering with distances to the centre of the green - so why not give flag position relative to centre of the green.

Yes I know - I should buy a gizmo and issue goes - but why should I have to do that to be able to take advantage of such information to know where the flag is on the green.
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Please please please dont start the distance measuring device thing again as I've only just stopped seeing my therapist after the last time 🤣🤣
 
chrisd said:
Please please please dont start the distance measuring device thing again as I've only just stopped seeing my therapist after the last time 🤣🤣
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I accept I have lost the gizmo argument I used to make (in fact it would not have applied to yesterday's comp as it was an open comp) - my irritation yesterday was that distances specifying flag position were relative to the front of the green - when if they were given relative to the middle of the green I would not have had any difficulties working out where the flags were positioned and I would have been able to us the information equally as those with gizmos coul duse it.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I accept I have lost the gizmo argument I used to make - my irritation yesterday was that distances specifying flag position were to the front of the green - when if they were given relative to the middle of the green I would not have had any difficulties working out where the flags were positioned.
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I was only joking 😉, but I largely bought my dmd because of the points that you are making, some of the front middle and back distances on watches dont really help on some of the huge greens I've played on, my own course has small greens so it's a quick blip to the flag every time
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I accept I have lost the gizmo argument I used to make (in fact it would not have applied to yesterday's comp as it was an open comp) - my irritation yesterday was that distances specifying flag position were relative to the front of the green - when if they were given relative to the middle of the green I would not have had any difficulties working out where the flags were positioned and I would have been able to us the information equally as those with gizmos coul duse it.
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How much difference does that information make to someone at your level? I'm not a 10 handicapper, never have been and never will be. At my level, around 18 handicap but haven't played for almost 3 years, from anything over around 120 yards I'm just trying/hoping/praying to somehow hit the green and not worrying about where the flag is. That might be different on a very big green where it's a club distance between front and back of the green but in general the middle of the green is where I'm trying to aim.

Please don't take the question the wrong way. It's not having a pop at you.
 
ColchesterFC said:
How much difference does that information make to someone at your level? I'm not a 10 handicapper, never have been and never will be. At my level, around 18 handicap but haven't played for almost 3 years, from anything over around 120 yards I'm just trying/hoping/praying to somehow hit the green and not worrying about where the flag is. That might be different on a very big green where it's a club distance between front and back of the green but in general the middle of the green is where I'm trying to aim.

Please don't take the question the wrong way. It's not having a pop at you.
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On some greens it can be 3-4 clubs difference from front to back.

If I was at the 150 and the flag was 6 on, I would play 140. If it was 26 on, Id play 160.

Just assume the greens are 30yds front to back so standing at the 150, you would be 135 to the front and 165 to the back. Unless the greens were very small/big front to back (which I presume you know, being your home course)
 
bobmac said:
On some greens it can be 3-4 clubs difference from front to back.

If I was at the 150 and the flag was 6 on, I would play 140. If it was 26 on, Id play 160.

Just assume the greens are 30yds front to back so standing at the 150, you would be 135 to the front and 165 to the back. Unless the greens were very small/big front to back (which I presume you know, being your home course)
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What do you play off? I suppose my question really is, at what level does knowing the distance to the pin become crucial information to have? For a scratch golfer looking to hit it close to the pin I can understand why they would want that info as they can use it. But for someone playing off 28 knowing that the pin is exactly 143 yards away isn't actually that beneficial. They might know that if they hit a 7 iron well it will go 150 yards which is probably what they should be trying to do, rather than to try to hit it 143 yards.
 
ColchesterFC said:
What do you play off? I suppose my question really is, at what level does knowing the distance to the pin become crucial information to have? For a scratch golfer looking to hit it close to the pin I can understand why they would want that info as they can use it. But for someone playing off 28 knowing that the pin is exactly 143 yards away isn't actually that beneficial. They might know that if they hit a 7 iron well it will go 150 yards which is probably what they should be trying to do, rather than to try to hit it 143 yards.
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We aren't talking about a 28 h/cap trying to hit 143.
I was suggesting to SILH who's off 8 how he could tell where the flag was on a green within 10 yards.
I have no h/cap
 
bobmac said:
We aren't talking about a 28 h/cap trying to hit 143.
I was suggesting to SILH who's off 8 how he could tell where the flag was on a green within 10 yards.
I have no h/cap
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i thought you had retired Bob, are you still paying your PGA fee or doesn't it work like that?
 
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