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Random Irritations

Beezerk said:
The Gazza video doing the rounds.
What happened to you lad? My footballing hero turned into a sad coke head, what a massive waste of talent.
Without wanting to start an argument :LOL: Britains best footballer of all time IMO.
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My footballing hero too when I was a lad. Couldn't believe it when Boro signed him, albeit way past his best.

He didn't look too good in the video. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs. Don't know what it with maverick talents, they are very prone to self destruct.
 
Fromtherough said:
My footballing hero too when I was a lad. Couldn't believe it when Boro signed him, albeit way past his best.

He didn't look too good in the video. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs. Don't know what it with maverick talents, they are very prone to self destruct.
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There are plenty who don't, you just don't remember them for that. People talk about Best and Gazza as though they are the templates but there are lots inbetween who don't take the same route, it's not compulsory. All very sad though.
 
Fromtherough said:
My footballing hero too when I was a lad. Couldn't believe it when Boro signed him, albeit way past his best.

He didn't look too good in the video. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs. Don't know what it with maverick talents, they are very prone to self destruct.
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How very unfortunate that all his good mates who were around to "support" him in the good times seem to have abandoned him... :mad::mad::mad:

Undoubtedly one of the greatest talents of his generation, and very sad to see the mess he has become.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
There are plenty who don't, you just don't remember them for that. People talk about Best and Gazza as though they are the templates but there are lots inbetween who don't take the same route, it's not compulsory. All very sad though.
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There is a difference between being a talent and being a maverick though. Think of the difference between Maradona and Gazza Vs Zidane and Ronaldo. 4 world class players. Two were mavericks, both of which self imploded. Similarly Higgins, White and maybe O'Sullivan in snooker vs Davis, Hendry and Higgins. Or Jones Vs St Pierre in MMA. Or Tyson v Lewis. Or Woods v any golfer.
 
Fromtherough said:
There is a difference between being a talent and being a maverick though. Think of the difference between Maradona and Gazza Vs Zidane and Ronaldo. 4 world class players. Two were mavericks, both of which self imploded. Similarly Higgins, White and maybe O'Sullivan in snooker vs Davis, Hendry and Higgins. Or Jones Vs St Pierre in MMA. Or Tyson v Lewis. Or Woods v any golfer.
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Is it just the self destruction that moves them from talent to maverick? If they don't implode do they remain as talent? Interesting thought.
 
Fromtherough said:
My footballing hero too when I was a lad. Couldn't believe it when Boro signed him, albeit way past his best.

He didn't look too good in the video. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs. Don't know what it with maverick talents, they are very prone to self destruct.
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Watched him many times at the Riverside. He might have been past his best but he was usually the best man on the pitch. Reminded me of Bobby Murdoch in Jack Charlton's team in the 70's. He'd have a couple of beers on a Saturday lunchtime at the White Rose on Marton Road, just up from the main telephone exchange - now Sirkars restaurant. He still turned in a decent performance.
 
Fromtherough said:
My footballing hero too when I was a lad. Couldn't believe it when Boro signed him, albeit way past his best.

He didn't look too good in the video. Hopefully he'll get the help he needs. Don't know what it with maverick talents, they are very prone to self destruct.
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Great player that for a short while had the footballing world at his feet
 
Hobbit said:
Watched him many times at the Riverside. He might have been past his best but he was usually the best man on the pitch. Reminded me of Bobby Murdoch in Jack Charlton's team in the 70's. He'd have a couple of beers on a Saturday lunchtime at the White Rose on Marton Road, just up from the main telephone exchange - now Sirkars restaurant. He still turned in a decent performance.
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Weirdly, was in Sirkars not so long back. Nice curry house. Was randomly irritated to discover they were non-alcoholic!
 
The notion of Gazza being the best British player is a bit of a nonsense in my opinion. It’s an opinion based on the romantic nature of a flamboyant and troubled human but not based on real evidence.
 
Kellfire said:
The notion of Gazza being the best British player is a bit of a nonsense in my opinion. It’s an opinion based on the romantic nature of a flamboyant and troubled human but not based on real evidence.
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What evidence do you need ? Did you ever see him on a pitch at the height of his ability ? He was outstanding, everything you wanted from a creative centre mid - flair , skill , tough , strong on both feet , went round people with ease

Now whilst he was outstanding I agree that he isn’t the best British player - there have been some just brilliant players - and what let Gazza down was his brain - far too many times he did stupid things on the pitch that cost both himself and his team.

As for the off the field stuff - the guy has been surrounded by leeches - witnessed it first hand during the summer of 2003 in Cyprus when he was camped in the Irish Bar for weeks. The guy is a mess - been helped so many times now but just like George Best he has thrown away countless attempts for people to help him - unfortunately I don’t think it will be long before he is no longer with us all
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What evidence do you need ? Did you ever see him on a pitch at the height of his ability ? He was outstanding, everything you wanted from a creative centre mid - flair , skill , tough , strong on both feet , went round people with ease

Now whilst he was outstanding I agree that he isn’t the best British player - there have been some just brilliant players - and what let Gazza down was his brain - far too many times he did stupid things on the pitch that cost both himself and his team.

As for the off the field stuff - the guy has been surrounded by leeches - witnessed it first hand during the summer of 2003 in Cyprus when he was camped in the Irish Bar for weeks. The guy is a mess - been helped so many times now but just like George Best he has thrown away countless attempts for people to help him - unfortunately I don’t think it will be long before he is no longer with us all
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Danny Baker and Chris Evans are two that spring to mind straight away.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
What evidence do you need ? Did you ever see him on a pitch at the height of his ability ? He was outstanding, everything you wanted from a creative centre mid - flair , skill , tough , strong on both feet , went round people with ease

Now whilst he was outstanding I agree that he isn’t the best British player - there have been some just brilliant players - and what let Gazza down was his brain - far too many times he did stupid things on the pitch that cost both himself and his team.

As for the off the field stuff - the guy has been surrounded by leeches - witnessed it first hand during the summer of 2003 in Cyprus when he was camped in the Irish Bar for weeks. The guy is a mess - been helped so many times now but just like George Best he has thrown away countless attempts for people to help him - unfortunately I don’t think it will be long before he is no longer with us all
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George Best. You made the argument for me.

Or another flawed UK player - Gerrard - video evidence of him attacking a DJ.

Duncan Edwards?

It’s just so subjective but it’s obvious Gazza was nowhere near any of these players let alone the less controversial players who were miles behind him - Dalglish, Charlton, Dean, Souness, Shearer...

Gascoigne isn’t in the conversation of who’s the best.
 
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