Random Irritations

[USER1999]

So are you saying go down the outside to the front of the queue then expect to be let in? Or join the back of the queue and wait your turn?

I like the idea of using all the lanes, til the end. No one can jump in, no one gets annoyed, the queue is short, as all lanes are in use, as intended, or the cones would be further down the road. Why do people pull over early, causing all these issues? Use all the lanes, until the cones close your lane. Simples.

 

[Kellfire]

So are you saying go down the outside to the front of the queue then expect to be let in? Or join the back of the queue and wait your turn?

Yes. I go down the outside, using the flowing lane of traffic and then join in turn at the end. I almost never have to stop and wait, I filter in easily and quickly.

This is opposed to the people who brake, stop in the fast lane and wait to be let in, in error.

 

[Kellfire]

What, so an interrupted flow is actually faster than a constant flow! Well every day's a school day

My way isn't interrupted, cars don't have to stop moving if they merge in turn. It's people who stop in the fast lane who cause interruptions.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Yes. I go down the outside, using the flowing lane of traffic and then join in turn at the end. I almost never have to stop and wait, I filter in easily and quickly.

This is opposed to the people who brake, stop in the fast lane and wait to be let in, in error.

Why are they in error?

 

[Kellfire]

Why are they in error?

Because they are not merging in turn and are causing disruption to the flow of traffic in the fast lane, which has a knock on effect of forcing the inside lane to stop rather than simply slowing and merging with the fast lane.

Let's be honest - the issue here is that the people in the inside lane (falsely) believe that the fast lane is getting one over on them so try to bunch up and restrict those who are trying to merge properly from doing soon. Thankfully not everyone does this.

 

[Crazyface]

Because they are not merging in turn and are causing disruption to the flow of traffic in the fast lane, which has a knock on effect of forcing the inside lane to stop rather than simply slowing and merging with the fast lane.

Let's be honest - the issue here is that the people in the inside lane (falsely) believe that the fast lane is getting one over on them so try to bunch up and restrict those who are trying to merge properly from doing soon. Thankfully not everyone does this.

You're WRONG.

 

[Slab]

I like the idea of using all the lanes, til the end. No one can jump in, no one gets annoyed, the queue is short, as all lanes are in use, as intended, or the cones would be further down the road. Why do people pull over early, causing all these issues? Use all the lanes, until the cones close your lane. Simples.

If the road surface is uneven due to works you’re more likely to see the ‘Use both Lanes’ ‘Merge at Roadworks’ ‘Merge in Turn’ signs as the speed is always slower the closer the merge is to the pinch point and it’s a good thing given road surface conditions

If the condition of the single lane road is not affected (maybe work on central barriers etc then the traffic can proceed at a higher speed through the funnel, in which case don’t merge at the roadwork’s, merge before you get there. So it’s just ‘Merge in Turn’ signs without ‘Use both lanes’

The other time for use both lanes signs is when the approach road to a lane closure is short and they want to shorten the overall length by keeping traffic in multiple lanes (but accepting it’s a slower transition through the point of lane closure


Trouble comes when everyone merges too soon for any type of lane closure (inc those signed 'Use both lanes') & the guys who always try to merge at the very end when clearly traffic ahead has already merged and they'll need to cut in (and if they look in the rear-view they'll soon see how traffic had to slow/stop to accommodate their action)

 

[Slime]

Simply drive down the vacant lane and merge at the end, thereby reducing the length of the tailback.
If there's an open empty lane, just use it .................... it's what it's for.

 

[Kellfire]

Simply drive down the vacant lane and merge at the end, thereby reducing the length of the tailback.
If there's an open empty lane, just use it .................... it's what it's for.

But while people feel aggrieved, it won't happen properly. Sadly.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The split lines on this are greater than Brexit, greater than Scottish Independence. Some will merge early, others will bomb until the very end and then try to take the front of someones car off by cutting in at the last minute thus slowing everyone down and irritating all right minded people. Neither side can see the other viewpoint although clearly we ALL know which is truly the correct and British approach. For the others, beware my taser.........

Incidentally, the smilies are not working. We need them back for discussions such as these.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The split lines on this are greater than Brexit, greater than Scottish Independence. Some will merge early, others will bomb until the very end and then try to take the front of someones car off by cutting in at the last minute thus slowing everyone down and irritating all right minded people. Neither side can see the other viewpoint although clearly we ALL know which is truly the correct and British approach. For the others, beware my taser.........

Incidentally, the smilies are not working. We need them back for discussions such as these.

Oh I don't think you need smilies when you are talking about people that think it is OK to drive to the front of a queue and push in rather than join the end of it.

 

[Kellfire]

Oh I don't think you need smilies when you are talking about people that think it is OK to drive to the front of a queue and push in rather than join the end of it.

It is ok when that's what you're meant to do to avoid congestion and to ease the flow of traffic...

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It is ok when that's what you're meant to do to avoid congestion and to ease the flow of traffic...

There are also the situations where there is no congestion but people still jump the queue because they are inconsiderate.

 

[Kellfire]

There are also the situations where there is no congestion but people still jump the queue because they are inconsiderate.

A lane of traffic isn't a queue if there is no congestion so there's no issue with them filtering in at that stage, either. Glad we agree.

 

[Fish]

Oh I don't think you need smilies when you are talking about people that think it is OK to drive to the front of a queue and push in rather than join the end of it.

So everyone is to join the queue and leave 100 yards plus of an empty lane causing the queue to be ever longer than it’s designed to be and possibly causing more danger further back?!

It’s called ‘zip filing’, it’s not difficult to understand, unless your ignorant of the laws, which suggest you should use all available lanes and merge in turn to ease congestion.

 

[Orikoru]

Incidentally, the smilies are not working. We need them back for discussions such as these.

Click help at the bottom right of the page, then 'smilies'. That takes you here: https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/help/smilies/ where it tells you all the codes you can type in to get the smilies up. (For the meantime until the fix the panel where you can click them.)

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So everyone is to join the queue and leave 100 yards plus of an empty lane causing the queue to be ever longer than it’s designed to be and possibly causing more danger further back?!

It’s called ‘zip filing’, it’s not difficult to understand, unless your ignorant of the laws, which suggest you should use all available lanes and merge in turn to ease congestion.

My daily commute involves a stretch of dual carriageway with a roundabout at the end then single carriageway the other side. If the tailback is 100 yards as you say, how is it dangerous to have that queue extended by another 100 yards because people join the end of the queue instead of going down the outside? The problem with going down the outside is those that do often try to force in 2 for 1 instead of 1 for 1 and that leads to frustration for other drivers.

 

[Fish]

My daily commute involves a stretch of dual carriageway with a roundabout at the end then single carriageway the other side. If the tailback is 100 yards as you say, how is it dangerous to have that queue extended by another 100 yards because people join the end of the queue instead of going down the outside? The problem with going down the outside is those that do often try to force in 2 for 1 instead of 1 for 1 and that leads to frustration for other drivers.

So by your logic, which is wrong by the way, at what stage or time do the new drivers arriving know when to start ignoring the ever growing queue, and what do they do, start using the outside lane but staying by the side of the last vehicle they think is the acceptable distance! If that were to happen, then you’d see frustrated drivers as they could see 100’s of yards of empty lane being ignored, which then that vehicle would be obstructing traffic from freely moving forward.

I bet your one of those drivers that stay out or straddle both lanes to not let anyone pass you, even though there’s 100’s of yards or longer of free lane.

Drivers need to be educated on zip filing correctly that’s all, any driver taking the law into his own hands and causing an obstruction are causing more issues than the lane closure itself and are bigger idiots imo.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So by your logic, which is wrong by the way, at what stage or time do the new drivers arriving know when to start ignoring the ever growing queue, and what do they do, start using the outside lane but staying by the side of the last vehicle they think is the acceptable distance! If that were to happen, then you’d see frustrated drivers as they could see 100’s of yards of empty lane being ignored, which then that vehicle would be obstructing traffic from freely moving forward.

I bet your one of those drivers that stay out or straddle both lanes to not let anyone pass you, even though there’s 100’s of yards or longer of free lane.

Drivers need to be educated on zip filing correctly that’s all, any driver taking the law into his own hands and causing an obstruction are causing more issues than the lane closure itself and are bigger idiots imo.

Who mentioned anything about straddling both lanes or blocking the outside lane?

 

[MegaSteve]

So, coming back late on the M25, earlier in the week, there's the inevitable overnight lane closures...
Plenty of warning, from overhead gantries, plus reducing speed limits...
Vast majority are moving across in an orderly manner...
Then you get those that feel the necessity to 'bomb up' the empty lanes...
However some got their timing wrong, to slow down for the speed camera gantries, and have hopefully been hit with suitable high fines...

If you are in that bigger rush to get somewhere try teleporting....